!!!!!Coastal Scents Controversy!!!!! PLEASE WATCH

[meeta]

Hi all, my mother creates makeup for a pretty large makeup company, so I asked her about this, figuring she might know something that would be helpful. She said that there is both commercial and cosmetic grade silica, and that cosmetic silica undergoes pretty rigorous, frequent testing, is FDA approved, and is safe to use. She said that the inhalation precautions are the same for silica as they are for talc and mica. All three are only unsafe when inhaled in extremely large doses, like if there was a misshap in a manufacturing plant and 1 ton of powder filled an enclosed space. She says that talc is actually currently more controversial than both silica and mica, as there has been a recent study where some rats were adversely affected by it.

According to her, U.S. FDA approved cosmetic grade silica and mica are perfectly safe. The problem is that because coastal scents' makeup is made in china, we can't know if its ingredients have been FDA approved. They could potentially use commercial grade silica or silica that hasnt met the US cosmetic silica standards.

Don't know if that helped much, but that's what i got

[astronaut]

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Originally Posted by meeta

The problem is that because coastal scents' makeup is made in china, we can't know if its ingredients have been FDA approved. They could potentially use commercial grade silica or silica that hasnt met the US cosmetic silica standards.

How do we know that they get their ingredients from China? I know their palettes are from China, but I don't think they say where the ingredients come from, do they?

[X4biddenxLustX]

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Originally Posted by meeta

Hi all, my mother creates makeup for a pretty large makeup company, so I asked her about this, figuring she might know something that would be helpful. She said that there is both commercial and cosmetic grade silica, and that cosmetic silica undergoes pretty rigorous, frequent testing, is FDA approved, and is safe to use. She said that the inhalation precautions are the same for silica as they are for talc and mica. All three are only unsafe when inhaled in extremely large doses, like if there was a misshap in a manufacturing plant and 1 ton of powder filled an enclosed space. She says that talc is actually currently more controversial than both silica and mica, as there has been a recent study where some rats were adversely affected by it.

According to her, U.S. FDA approved cosmetic grade silica and mica are perfectly safe. The problem is that because coastal scents' makeup is made in china, we can't know if its ingredients have been FDA approved. They could potentially use commercial grade silica or silica that hasnt met the US cosmetic silica standards.

Don't know if that helped much, but that's what i got

That is why I guess I don't buy makeup from smaller companies that aren't able to afford all that special testing. I know it still doesn't completely guarantee that whatever I'm putting on my face isn't going to cause problems but I feel like it lowers the chances of that tremendously. This may or may not be true, but it makes me feel better and a bit more reassured lol.

[caffn8me]

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Originally Posted by meeta

The problem is that because coastal scents' makeup is made in china, we can't know if its ingredients have been FDA approved. They could potentially use commercial grade silica or silica that hasnt met the US cosmetic silica standards.

I've already posted a link to a full analysis of the silica used by Coastal Scents and it's well within the required purity levels. You can see it here

[meeta]

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Originally Posted by astronaut

How do we know that they get their ingredients from China? I know their palettes are from China, but I don't think they say where the ingredients come from, do they?

My mistake, I assumed the ingredients were from China, but I don't know whether they are international or not. Her thoughts on silica etc applied to any ingredients from outside of the United States.

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Originally Posted by caffn8me

I've already posted a link to a full analysis of the silica used by Coastal Scents and it's well within the required purity levels. You can see it here

I just read the first page of this thread, then asked my mother for her analysis of silica and safety, and posted. So I hadn't looked at your link. She just checked out your link, and she agrees that the analysis meets guidelines.

Again, all I was trying to do was provide an unbiased opinion from someone with knowledge of silica and safety, and what potential hazards there could be from a company that sold silica. Seacrest out

[candicenoelle]

Found more info on this "controversy" from The Beauty Brains

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Is Silica Powder in MakeUp Forever HD powder dangerous?

HeyHazelHazel…Recently I’ve heard that silica powder, like Coastal Scent’s silica powder spheres can cause Silicosis. I thought it was the same thing as Make Up Forever’s HD powder, which is also listed it’s ingredients as 100% mineral silica powder. Are they really the same? Are either of them going to cause Silicosis if I breath them? Both of them float around in the air really easily when you open their jars.


The Right Brain replies:
For those of our readers who aren’t familiar with Silicosis, it’s a lung condition caused crystalline silica is inhaled. This chemical is toxic to the lining of the lung and causes a strong inflammatory response. Over time this inflammation causes the lung tissue to become thickened and scarred. Symptoms of Silicosis include: chronic dry cough, shortness of breath, loss of appetite, trouble sleeping and nails with a bluish tint. But before you start thinking this blog is called the Bronchial Brains, let’s get back to cosmetics.


Mineral Makeup
Fortunately for those of us who love mineral makeup, the kind of silica powder used in cosmetics is not a problem. Hydrated silica (aka silicone dioxide) is a mineral used in many mineral makeup products including Makeup Forever HD and Coastal Scents. This type of silica doesn’t react with lung tissue like the crystalline form does so these products are safe to use. As Forum member Guiness pointed out, additional information on hydrated silica can be found at Cosmeticsinfo.org. So you can stop fuming about your foundation.


The Beauty Brains bottom line
We’re glad we can help clarify the difference between confusing chemicals. There are many kinds of chemicals with similar names and sometimes it takes a chemist to really tell them apart. That’s what we’re hear for!

[Phillygirl]

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Originally Posted by xpucu

Wow that video was very interesting.I heard before that many people have many problems with their costumer service.
This is very unprofessional - Coastal Scents Shame on you

I'm not so sure about the health risks but I will play it safe and just not buy it. I'm more concerned about the customer service here more than anything. Who wants to deal with that?

[MissResha]

btw, i dont think being called ignorant is necessarily an insult. its an honest word to be used when someone is talking about something and they dont have ALL the facts. i'm not gonna stop shopping at coastal scents because of all this drama. its not like kathy called her a bitch.

[spacegirl2007]

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Originally Posted by MissResha

btw, i dont think being called ignorant is necessarily an insult. its an honest word to be used when someone is talking about something and they dont have ALL the facts. i'm not gonna stop shopping at coastal scents because of all this drama. its not like kathy called her a bitch.

i dont really think so either. its still unprofessional...kathy should have just stayed out of it.
but the girl IS ignorant in this instance.

[MissResha]

i dunno, if it were me, i would probably have to correct the issue too. like, if someone were blasting your product isn't safe when it is, you kinda have to say something. kathy is a presence on youtube also, so for her to not say anything would make it seem as though that chick was right (i dont know her name, sorry). she's well within her rights to rate her a 1 or reply with a rebuttal. it may seem childish/unprofessional, but i would rather her say something than not.

[Meisje]

I think CS's reply could have been phrased better. Would MAC reply that way?

[Phillygirl]

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Originally Posted by MissResha

btw, i dont think being called ignorant is necessarily an insult. its an honest word to be used when someone is talking about something and they dont have ALL the facts. i'm not gonna stop shopping at coastal scents because of all this drama. its not like kathy called her a bitch.

your right , it is not necessarily an insult but the way it was said/written it was meant to be an insult. This is not the 1st time this person was rude and just by how she commented on a past video shows how childish she is. I personally would not want to give someone like that my business. People are very divided over the whole issue and it is sad how many people she lost as customers and future customers.

[MissResha]

i need to go read what she replied with, cuz i didnt see it.

[blindpassion]

Customer service aside, I think its really sad that CS has lost a ton of customers due to concerns about their product safety... even though its thoroughly been proved that there is no risk, but now they have lost many customers due to this safety scandal, due to fear mongering, and due to folks making accusations before they do the proper research.

And I feel bad for the girl who so strongly made those videos saying that they wear suits and masks, not for cosmetic grade silica... she fought pretty hard for something that she did not have hard facts about.

[KristyVictoria]

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Originally Posted by X4biddenxLustX

That is why I guess I don't buy makeup from smaller companies that aren't able to afford all that special testing. I know it still doesn't completely guarantee that whatever I'm putting on my face isn't going to cause problems but I feel like it lowers the chances of that tremendously. This may or may not be true, but it makes me feel better and a bit more reassured lol.

It's not true - it all comes from the same places that require it to meet the same standards.

[KristyVictoria]

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Originally Posted by carlierae26

This is such a fine powder, it's bound to create clouds of dust that's easily breathed in. You can't control how much of this stuff is airborne, nor can you control (with out ventilation) how much is breathed in. How much can you breath in with out it harming you? If there's any chance of harm, then it should be pulled off the shelf. Or, at the very least, a warning should be issued on the package to not breath this stuff... and let us as consumers, take that risk with out harm to the company that produced this stuff. And since this is fine powder, you can easily "snort" this stuff.

But I think the hype is more about the treatment versus the product. I've heard a few horror stories about CS.

This stuff isn't even dangerous if you inhaled a jar of it, sorry.
Is Silica Powder in MakeUp Forever HD powder dangerous? | The Beauty Brains

[blazeno.8]

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Originally Posted by MissResha

i dunno, if it were me, i would probably have to correct the issue too. like, if someone were blasting your product isn't safe when it is, you kinda have to say something. kathy is a presence on youtube also, so for her to not say anything would make it seem as though that chick was right (i dont know her name, sorry). she's well within her rights to rate her a 1 or reply with a rebuttal. it may seem childish/unprofessional, but i would rather her say something than not.

Kathy was well within her right to reply, but the focus of her reply was misdirected. Instead of consumer education about the confusion of the shared common name "silica" and acknowledging the fear that it might cause, she blasted a former loyal customer and lost many others in the process.

[Phillygirl]

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Originally Posted by blazeno.8

Kathy was well within her right to reply, but the focus of her reply was misdirected. Instead of consumer education about the confusion of the shared common name "silica" and acknowledging the fear that it might cause, she blasted a former loyal customer and lost many others in the process.

I agree which is why it is sad.

[Willa]

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Originally Posted by blindpassion

Customer service aside, I think its really sad that CS has lost a ton of customers due to concerns about their product safety... even though its thoroughly been proved that there is no risk, but now they have lost many customers due to this safety scandal, due to fear mongering, and due to folks making accusations before they do the proper research.

And I feel bad for the girl who so strongly made those videos saying that they wear suits and masks, not for cosmetic grade silica... she fought pretty hard for something that she did not have hard facts about.

She was probably so mad that she brought it up in the subject just to create some kind of ''double'' controversy, aside from how she'd been treated...

She was also supposed to remove ALL her videos one hour after she made the last one... Last time I checked, they were still there.

[blindpassion]

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Originally Posted by Willa

She was probably so mad that she brought it up in the subject just to create some kind of ''double'' controversy, aside from how she'd been treated...

She was also supposed to remove ALL her videos one hour after she made the last one... Last time I checked, they were still there.

That is true,

I definitely understand why she felt the need to bring up the silica thing again, but, she was wrong - and I feel bad for her that she fought so hard and so publicly, for something that she hadn't done enough research about.

[amyzon]

In regards to several comments... Legal action, really? This girl posted a YouTube video discussing her experience expressing concerns in regard to a product and Coastal Scents very apparent disregard for her inquiry; she did not begin a smear campaign against Coastal Scents. There is a huge difference. Why would she be sued for relating her experience with a company on a website? It's free speech and it would be absolutely ridiculous for her to fear legal action. She didn't run to the press and slander the company. Not to mention what exactly would Coastal Scents stand to gain from it? They're not a huge corporation with some stellar public reputation to protect, and this YouTube girl has nothing to hand over to them! Just sayin.

[blindpassion]

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Originally Posted by amyzon

In regards to several comments... Legal action, really? This girl posted a YouTube video discussing her experience expressing concerns in regard to a product and Coastal Scents very apparent disregard for her inquiry; she did not begin a smear campaign against Coastal Scents. There is a huge difference. Why would she be sued for relating her experience with a company on a website? It's free speech and it would be absolutely ridiculous for her to fear legal action. She didn't run to the press and slander the company. Not to mention what exactly would Coastal Scents stand to gain from it? They're not a huge corporation with some stellar public reputation to protect, and this YouTube girl has nothing to hand over to them! Just sayin.

(Customer service aside) -

That's all fair and well, but consider the sheer number of customers that CS will loose due to fear over their product safety? You can see in the comments on that girls video and youtube page, comment after comment of people publicly declaring they will never purchase from CS again, that they are afraid of their products and that they might be contaminated, and that they are throwing out all of their CS products. From the companies point of view - this one video alone and the false information regarding product safety that is broadcast in it - could have a huge effect on their sales. I'm not saying I think legal action is the answer, but you can understand where they would get that idea from.

[Phillygirl]

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Originally Posted by Willa

She was probably so mad that she brought it up in the subject just to create some kind of ''double'' controversy, aside from how she'd been treated...

She was also supposed to remove ALL her videos one hour after she made the last one... Last time I checked, they were still there.

what were the other videos about?

[Heiaken]

I think it really is sad that people think that CS products would be comtaminated in some way and I do understand that they got upset over that video (if I were a seller I would get upset and angry too).

But still because of the handling of the cituation I prolly wont purchase from them again.

[astronaut]

Honestly, I find this whole silica controversy thing to be quite funny. (NOT ABOUT THE COASTAL SCENTS CUSTOMER SERVICE) It just reminds me that people easily fear what they do not understand, but most importantly, not question it.

There are people who have reported to have died from ingesting too much water. Should we stop drinking water?

I also wanted to add that how many people drink and or smoke? I think it's safe to say that we all know they have been proven to cause lung and liver cancer. And how many people care enough to stop?

Interesting on how so many people are freaking out about the scary spherical silicone dioxide that's been FDA approved...