Hair care products for WOC...

[lovesong]

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Originally Posted by aziajs

I love Frederic Fekkai products. My hair is always so soft and smells great. The conditioners are particularly good.

I use his hair care line and I swear by this stuff!

[HeavenLeiBlu]

I rushed in here all eager to help, then realized I don't know jack about relaxed hair

[MsCocoa]

At the salon they use Mizani in my hair, and at home I use Aveda but I'm thinking of switching to Aphogee lol; I also like Nexxus Botancial Oil (I know it's just an expensive oil blend but I pay for the convienience!

[amber_j]

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Originally Posted by HeavenLeiBlu

I rushed in here all eager to help, then realized I don't know jack about relaxed hair

[JaneHorror]

I use Motions(you can get it at Walmart or beauty supply stores) hair products and Redken
Tresemme made my hair feel like straw, and it felt so dry.

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by HeavenLeiBlu

I rushed in here all eager to help, then realized I don't know jack about relaxed hair

Me too...I have bowed out gracefully!!

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by aziajs

That is an awesome point. I never understand why people make such an issue by nationality references.

I think the reason sister girl pointed this out is because of the fact "Jamaican" isn't a race.. We're supposed to "assume" I guess that when you say "Jamaican" it automatically means black. But there are many races of jamaicans. Indians, Chinese, Whites.....
Just like there are many races of most nationalities

For instance

YouTube - [F] IM REALLY JAMAICAN

OR

YouTube - The Melting Pot of Jamaica!! (Row like a boat!)

[nursee81]

Well the reason I said jamaican was really because her father family is mixed with so many races that I really don't know where to start. He's got black, indian, white, spanish and god knows what else. He's family comes in all different colors of the rainbow with many different hair textures. So I had said Jamaican knowing that there are many Jamaicans that are multi races and maybe some one would have some good suggestions.

I really don't know what the big deal was.

[ShugAvery2001]

i don't think anyone was offended probably confused though.....

Most americans don't know much about the racial make-up of places outside the U.S. so when you said mixed that threw a few people for a loop...

no harm no foul

YouTube - Jamaican Paleface by Tony Hendriks

[MAChostage]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127

^^ My hair is not relaxed...Maybe thats why I like it
I have only tried a couple of her products (Shampoo & conditioner)...expensive and always out of stock everytime I try to find them.

Just to chime in, my hair is also not relaxed, but I very much dislike the Carol's Daughter line. Same goes for Miss Jessie's. For me (and a lot of other ladies I know with natural hair), finding products that I like and that work for my specific needs (i.e. moisturizing) is truly an ongoing journey.

[GlamQueen21]

My hair is not relaxed either. I sometimes use Elasta QP in my hair to deminish my dry scalp or sometimes I will use the Pink lotion for my hair.

[na_pink]

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Originally Posted by aziajs

That is an awesome point. I never understand why people make such an issue by nationality references.

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Originally Posted by couturesista

Do you think she should have said mixed origin? Would she have been able to say Jamaican and Hispanic? If Black people are described (race wise) as African-Americans because of their origin why can't she say Jamaican, because one of her children's parents originated from Jamaica. I'm not being rude I'm just a little confused and I apologize for jacking this thread.

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Originally Posted by Nyla2120

I totally agree with you. I don't understand what the issue was/is either. I'm also a "mixed" woman (black, irish, cherokee) & when describing my race that is what I say. Brown skinned could be so many different races. I would really like to know why she had a problem with her describing her daughter the way she did.

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Originally Posted by JamaicanDiva2

HUGE SECOND!!! i am EXTREMELY confused as to what the issue w/ her saying that her daughters are Jamaican & Hispanic is. . . why should she have said her daughters were "brown-skinned?!?!" half the world is "brown-skinned! (I'm generalizing, here!) "Brown-skinned" can describe anyone from Asians to Latinos to Africans to Caribbeans etc. . . I believe she was correct in identifying her daughter's specific ethnicities rather than just generalizing them as "brown-skinned" or "mixed." Because mixed children's hair is EXTREMELY varied, but by identifying her daughter's ethnicities, there is a better chance that someone here would have similar hair & be able to identify & help.

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just trying to understand the confusion. . .

I myself am mixed, Jamaican & Caucasian (50/50) & this is how I ALWAYS identify myself. I would never refer to myself or my siblings as simply "brown-skinned. . . "that is not a race or an ethnicity either. . . "mixed, biracial, or multiracial" is as far as I will generalize, but there again, these terms are so broad that I usually specify exactly what I am.

Just my personal thoughts & opinions. . . feel free to disagree, but as a "mixed" woman, I feel that I have at least some experience on this issue/ topic.

you ALL apparently have misunderstood what I was saying. I was trying to understand her hairtype and saying Jamaican just made me think about the country not about her race, she could have been anything from Brown, white , chinese , indian anything. So if she was white and hispanic that means I could have in no way given her my advice considering Im not familiar with type 1-2 hair

JamaicanDvia - being mixed (and therefore having experience) has nothing to do with this discussion. I do not think any smart person from the Caribbean would say Jamaican , Trinidadian, St. Lucian or Barbadian when asked their race. Because those are nationalities not race

Im not really one to say someone is black or white, i say brown ..so i can understand how some of you misunderstood me when i stated that.When asked my ethnicity i do not say im black - because i do not look like tar, nor do I say African American - because im not from America nor Africa . Im from the Caribbean (having said that , now you all can jump on me)

[TISH1124]

^^^ My 2Cents.....I think since this was a WOC thread we could all assume she was a woman of color or "brown-skinned" as you put it...However, my only eyebrow raise was, Why was it even necessary to point out the fact that being Jamaican was not a race? I guess I didn't see how that point had any relevance to this topic? I am by no means jumping on you, nor was I offended....I just think maybe this is where the misunderstanding took place...Just trying to understand why the comment was even necessary....Because a lot of people are born from multi descendant/cultures/race....and it does make a difference in skin tone, hair texture etc... I am one of those all mixed up folks!!

[d n d]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127

^^^ My 2Cents.....I think since this was a WOC thread we could all assume she was a woman of color or "brown-skinned" as you put it...However, my only eyebrow raise was, Why was it even necessary to point out the fact that being Jamaican was not a race? I guess I didn't see how that point had any relevance to this topic? I am by no means jumping on you, nor was I offended....I just think maybe this is where the misunderstanding took place...Just trying to understand why the comment was even necessary....Because a lot of people are born from multi descendant/cultures/race....and it does make a difference in skin tone, hair texture etc... I am one of those all mixed up folks!!

I agree. I think we get so analytical about these type of things. For example, we have taken a light hearted topic such as hair care and turned into something way more intense for a hair forum... not to discount the topic because it is very important!


And oh yeah, I have used many brands. Hawaian Silky, Motions, Nexxus, Organic Root Stimulator, Mizani, and now Im back to Aphogee. Mizani shampoo/conditioner left my hair a little weighed down. I recently started using the Aphogee line again and my hair seems dry. I do like the Organic Root Stimulator Hair Mayo, it really is a great conditioner and make the hair strong with continued use.

[na_pink]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127

^^^ My 2Cents.....I think since this was a WOC thread we could all assume she was a woman of color or "brown-skinned" as you put it...However, my only eyebrow raise was, Why was it even necessary to point out the fact that being Jamaican was not a race? I guess I didn't see how that point had any relevance to this topic? I am by no means jumping on you, nor was I offended....I just think maybe this is where the misunderstanding took place...Just trying to understand why the comment was even necessary....Because a lot of people are born from multi descendant/cultures/race....and it does make a difference in skin tone, hair texture etc... I am one of those all mixed up folks!!

...is jamaican a race ?

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by na_pink

...is jamaican a race ?

Is it relevant to this topic? Is brown-skinned a race?

[na_pink]

is black a race ?

[TISH1124]

^^ This is a hair thread...so honestly I am not going to go back and forth on a race issue with you....I was merely stating why people did not understand your comment....This is not a topic that is up for debate for me...If she wants to say she is Jamaican, brown-skinned, black or purple, she has every right to...No laws were broken.

[na_pink]

exactly and i broke no law in saying Jamaican is not a race , as far as I do know i did try to give advice on the hair issue.. or maybe my "statement" was so shocking and offensive noone realised

[couturesista]

Meanwhile back at the ranch, NYLA, what hair products did u decide on?

[carandru]

oh.. at the hijacking of this thread to discuss man made social constructs that have no relevance to this thread other than possibly describing one's hairtype.

Anywho, I haven't had relaxed hair for ummmm over 3 years now and I can't really remember what in the world I used prior to then. But I will try :-)

I know creme of nature shampoos and conditioners were alwasy a big hit w/ me. I also used the hair mayonaise (the kind that you get from sally's, can't remember the brand name now), infusium 23 leave in conditioner, and pantene pro v shampoos and conditioners.

As far as styling went, I would try not to put a lot of products on my hair. So, often I just used some type of heat protectant like FHI hot sauce (still use this stuff) and a couple of drops of almond oil when I put heat on my hair. Other than that, i would do roller sets w/ motions foaming setting lotions or just wrap my hair w/ the leave-in conditioner and sit under a hooded dryer.

Now, I use creme of nature shampoo (red and white bottle), matrix color.smart shampoo, pantene for colored women moisturizing shampoo and conditioner (moisturizing and color-treated), matrix curl.life intense conditioner (LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS STUFF... I would suggest you ebay it or find it on sale at a local salon).

I also have been using the carol's daughter tui shampoo and hair smoothie for the past 3 weeks or so. I like it so far, but for the price I probably wouldn't purchase again. My main gripe is w/ the conditioner as it is not slippery enough for me. I have to use a really thick and really slippery conditioner when I wash my hair as it's pretty much the only time I comb my hair out. With the tui smoothie, I have to add a bit of a different conditioner to achieve that.

[Nyla2120]

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Originally Posted by couturesista

Meanwhile back at the ranch, NYLA, what hair products did u decide on?

LOL! Well, I was actually pretty disappointed in what my local Trade Secret had to offer. A lot of the things mentioned here, they either don't carry or didn't have. I ended up getting Biosilk Smoothing Balm & a protein treatment for my nails. I have always liked their Silk Therapy shine serum, so I decided that I would give this a try. I made a list of a lot of the products mentioned here though, so I can check them out when I go to a beauty supply that carries more brands for ethnic hair. Thanks so much everyone for all the great suggestions! I'll let you know how this Biosilk stuff works out.

[TISH1124]

^^ Let me know how you like those...Because I have only used the Biosilk Serum (LOVE) and have been dying to try the rest of their products but didn't want to spend the money and be disappointed.

[MsCocoa]

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Originally Posted by d n d

I agree. I think we get so analytical about these type of things. For example, we have taken a light hearted topic such as hair care and turned into something way more intense for a hair forum... not to discount the topic because it is very important!


And oh yeah, I have used many brands. Hawaian Silky, Motions, Nexxus, Organic Root Stimulator, Mizani, and now Im back to Aphogee. Mizani shampoo/conditioner left my hair a little weighed down. I recently started using the Aphogee line again and my hair seems dry. I do like the Organic Root Stimulator Hair Mayo, it really is a great conditioner and make the hair strong with continued use.

Is that due to the protein content, what products do use from the range...just asking because I've heard this before.

[couturesista]

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Originally Posted by MsCocoa

Is that due to the protein content, what products do use from the range...just asking because I've heard this before.

I think so. I used the Aphogee hair treatment some odd years ago and my hair started to get so hard and brittle and my stylist advised me to stop using it.