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martygreene · 09-23-2005, 10:15 AM #51 (**permalink**)

I think it's less a matter of people who have posted to this thread hating MAC, but more that they are a bit more reserved in their manner towards it. Doesn't mean they don't like it, or don't use it, just means they have a different level of attachment to it, and that's OK.

Me? I use a variety of brands. I'm not an exclusive to MAC person. I never will be. I'll never even be close. To be completely honest, a large reason of why I use MAC products is the availability, and some of the PRO products which used to exist. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet, when I run out of certain things. Do I agree 100% with the business ethics of the company? not really. Do I disagree with enough of them to stop buying from them completely? I don't think so, at least not yet. I'm still working hard to make an impact on the company, and it's seemed to be working. Product labelling is becoming much better. There are few businesses in the world who have perfect track records as far as their ethics go. I'm acutely aware of this from my humanitarian work. I make decisions based on the information I can gather, and if I can't gather anything bu anecdotal evidence, I won't make a judgement call on that as it's unreliable.

Yes, we are LAREGELY a MAC resource, but we aren't ONLY a MAC site.

leppy · 09-23-2005, 10:24 AM #52 (**permalink**)

I agree with you guys but I also see where some of the users are coming from. Some people are being downright hostile about MAC and implying that people are stupid or silly for being so into it. That is also not okay in my opinion. Sure we are a general MU site but our focus is on MAC. You don't have to love MAC to be here, you don't even have to like them, but openly hating on it and insulting those that love it is just inviting a hostile reaction from other members.

lovemichelle · 09-23-2005, 10:40 AM #53 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by PrettyKitty

Whatever...

If it's not just a 'MAC Resource', it shouldn't be the 'title' of each page! And here, we are on the 'MAC Chat' forum.

Anyway...

What's the point to be on a website if they mostly talk about a brand you don't like?

If I can't be myself and talk about MAC without being bashed because I buy too much or some others girls hate MAC..... Specktra isn't better than MUA!

Because there are other topics that aren't about MAC and I also used to use the brand so I know some things about it.

Jude · 09-23-2005, 12:09 PM #54 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by leppy

I agree with you guys but I also see where some of the users are coming from. Some people are being downright hostile about MAC and implying that people are stupid or silly for being so into it. That is also not okay in my opinion. Sure we are a general MU site but our focus is on MAC. You don't have to love MAC to be here, you don't even have to like them, but openly hating on it and insulting those that love it is just inviting a hostile reaction from other members.

Thank you Leppy! I don't care if anyone decides to stop using MAC for whatever reason. What gets under my skin is the attitude carried by some that the MAC lovers are silly or wrong or childish because they get excited about the monthly releases. Like I said earlier, to each their own.

Yes, this is a general MU site but the majority of the women on this board are here because of MAC. Therefore, to run around from thread to thread, bashing MAC and it's loyal followers is kind of baffling to me.

I apologize to any of the Specktra admins for my passionate postings earlier but I'm sorry, abrasive people just bug the heck out of me.

PrettyKitty · 09-23-2005, 12:52 PM #55 (**permalink**)

Hum... where to start?

First:

I never said that Specktra was ONLY for MAC. I know that there is others topics than MAC, I'm not silly. But when people think about 'Specktra' they probably think about 'MAC'. Right?

What I want to say, is exactly what Leppy said. (But my english is too bad to be able to explain it):

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I agree with you guys but I also see where some of the users are coming from. Some people are being downright hostile about MAC and implying that people are stupid or silly for being so into it. That is also not okay in my opinion. Sure we are a general MU site but our focus is on MAC. You don't have to love MAC to be here, you don't even have to like them, but openly hating on it and insulting those that love it is just inviting a hostile reaction from other members.

Janice; You talk to me like I was too stupid to understand. People can hate MAC, they can like it, and some people don't care. But even if someone don't like Clinique... It's not a reason to go on a website *mostly* made for Clinique (Read, here, I said *mostly* and not ONLY) and bash the girls because they buy this brand, use it and love it. It's better to say nothing when you have nothing great to say!

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I'm not sure where anyone said this in this thread? I know I personally don't run around thinking Specktra is better than an estbliashed leading beauty discussion website with hundreds of thousands of members! Specktra is in no competition at al with MUA. We are just a little niche on the web for MAC and beauty chat.

Nobody said that in this thread, I never said that! What I want to say is: I was thinking that Specktra was a nice website where you can talk about MAC with others MAC addicts, and feel great here because they love the same thing.. MAC! On MUA, lot of girls don't like MAC as we love it here. We find more true MAC addicts here than on MUA. But I was wrong, Specktra isn't better than MUA (I thought it was!), we are not a little MAC lovers group like I thought we were....

Remember, my native language isn't english, so please, try to read it carefully, maybe you will understand more...

Juneplum · 09-23-2005, 01:18 PM #56 (**permalink**)

i've been following this thread and watching what's happening.. couple of things came to mind.. like pretty kitty said, the majority of us here at specktra ARE bonafide mac addicts and enjoy revelling in the new collections and accompanying frenzy that surrounds their release.

that being said, what bothers me is that this IS a mostly mac lovers group so if someone starts to bash the product and make fun of us beacuse of our love for the product, they should not be surprised to see us all rise to it's defense.

in no way does that mean if u don't love mac that u cannot be on specktra, however, do not belittle us for our passion about mac. some of us DO think mac is superior and guess what, that is OUR choice and OUR preference. if we want to spend all our money on mac it's nobody elses business but our own. sure we may joke around and say things like "oh i'm going to be so broke" or "oh boy there goes my paycheck" but that's what they are JOKES. and even if they are not jokes and some of us ARE complusive buyers, again, that's OUR business.

like pretty kitty said, we are on the MAC chat forum, so coming here and being judgemental about us is a waste of your time and ours quite frankly.

shygirl · 09-23-2005, 03:02 PM #57 (**permalink**)

Ok. I really, really didn't intend to stir up the pot when I created this post.

My reason for creating the topic was, yeah, I did feel like I had to defend my fascination with MAC. I shouldn't have felt that way but what's done is done. There are non-Pros who are really, really good at make-up application! I just felt that shouldve been taken into consideration. Being a beauty-schooled Pro doesn't necessarily make you the best.

I also wanted to offer another perspective to the professional MAs who were against MAC's treatment of them personally. I know what it's like to be mistreated and I took the soapbox approach and it didn't work for me. So, I was trying to suggest rather than work against consumers, work with us. I also realized that there are people on Specktra who work for MAC and love their jobs so I wanted to hear what they had to say. Like, maybe the company has changed, etc.

Finally, I should've just posted my thoughts on that site but I automatically assumed I wouldn't be able to register since it looks like a paid site. I shouldn't have done that.

In short, I apologize for starting this topic.

leppy · 09-23-2005, 03:13 PM #58 (**permalink**)

Janice did nothing of the sort PK, no where did she speak to you like you are stupid and I really don't see how random users expressing that they don't like MAC very much means we're oh so bad and plagued with the problems of MUA. If a few people expressing an opinion that you don't agree with sours the whole site for you then it would be impossible to keep you happy.

Specktra is a MAC resource and was made for the purpose of discussing & sharing info about MAC, but other cosmetic lines and their fans are welcome to be here. That is all anyone is trying to get across, and I don't see anything that has been said in this thread by the admins or mods that deserves them being attacked for it.

leppy · 09-23-2005, 03:15 PM #59 (**permalink**)

Also, shygirl.. you did nothing wrong. All you did was bring up an important subject and its not your fault at all that its turned this way. Controversial topics always get peoples blood boiling, but thats no reason not to discuss them.

Hopefully everyone will just calm down and realize that one thread is not worth all this drama.

orodwen · 09-23-2005, 03:55 PM #60 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by DopeSickGirl

...Yes, this is a general MU site but the majority of the women on this board are here because of MAC...

speak for yourself. i'm here for the sex!

Cruella · 09-23-2005, 03:55 PM #61 (**permalink**)

I honestly can't see why people are getting so hysterical about this topic. People are taking it way too seriously. No one has been personally insulted so why take offense? I'm sure that the corporate big-wigs at MAC aren't crying themselves to sleep on their wee pillows over that website

Now, knock it off before I take away your makeup and make you sit in the corner!

Juneplum · 09-23-2005, 03:57 PM #62 (**permalink**)

^ lol cruella!

Shawna · 09-23-2005, 04:29 PM #63 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by lovemichelle

I don't know about everyone else, but where I live people swarm the Clinique counter. The way some of you guys do make-up with all the colors, I can honestly say I've never seen someone like that in my real day-to-day life. I guess people around here stay to the natural look. That's my personal preference also, but I wouldn't feel like myself with 10 or so eyeshadows on me and all that other stuff. I'm not a movie star and don't need to look like one.

MAC to me shows off more out there kinda make-up and I don't need anything like that.

You're right, I don't need to look like a movie star. But I am mostly a stay at home mom, and I gotta tell you I love when people look at me and say "wow, you have a kid?" It is a way for me to keep my own identity as "shawna" rather than "graham's mommy" I have worn mac for years because it doesn't bother my ultra sensitive skin, but it has been the past 2 years that I really got back into it. I look forward to new collections because it is something just for me. It doesn't involve my husband or child (well, it does when he gets into my MU, but that's another story) It is something for me and me alone. If I want to glam it up and look movie-starish, mac is the way to go. I am saddened that people are upset about the practices of the corporation, but I am sure other companies out there are just as bad, and one wouldn't have to dig too deep to find controversy. As for me, I am happy buying mac, and I will continue to do so. Until my hubby cuts me off

PrettyKitty · 09-23-2005, 08:08 PM #64 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by leppy

If a few people expressing an opinion that you don't agree with sours the whole site for you then it would be impossible to keep you happy.

I don't care if someone else doesn't have the same opinion... But like Juneplum said:

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what bothers me is that this IS a mostly mac lovers group so if someone starts to bash the product and make fun of us because of our love for the product, they should not be surprised to see us all rise to it's defense.

(I copy this sentence because it sounds like nobody understand me when I try to write something in english by myself)

Shawna · 09-23-2005, 08:22 PM #65 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by PrettyKitty

(I copy this sentence because it sounds like nobody understand me when I try to write something in english by myself)

Aww, I understand you perfectly PK. Of course, the people I work for are from Montreal so I am used to the accent whether it is written or spoken. I think you speak English really well.

As for what Juneplum said, yeah, I don't know why we are having to defend our love of MAC. I mean, that's how we all found this place right?

Juneplum · 09-23-2005, 08:29 PM #66 (**permalink**)

^ Word!!!

anuy · 09-24-2005, 04:27 AM #67 (**permalink**)

the way i see it, people have passion for certain items. for me, it used to be boybands and now it's MAC. i don't need to justify my <3 to anybody. if my obsession seems 'pathetic' then so be it. i don't think it's pathetic and thats all that matters.

Janice · 09-24-2005, 10:04 AM #68 (**permalink**)

OT discussion continued here:

http://specktra.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30188

MACreation · 10-01-2005, 11:34 PM #69 (**permalink**)

THE INSANITY OF IT ALL.........so what if girls like makeup, it's not like we crush it and sniff it...damn, relax biaaaches stop being mean to us specktra girls

UUmmmm...ok??

"MAC is great for MUA wannabees at this point.,,,Again, this is just my opinion, as I am sure there are many out there who will argue with me and think that they are more bomb diggity than ever...."

GreekChick · 10-02-2005, 12:58 AM #70 (**permalink**)

I agree with the MAC defense but i also agree with the fact that they release their products way too fast.....but thats normal seeing that they have to satisfy the customer demands....I love MAC nonetheless.MAC POWER!

MAC addict · 04-30-2006, 03:32 PM #71 (**permalink**)

I am new to MAC...is MAC a backstage makeup brand?

..I'VE TRIED MOST OF THEIR EYESHADOW AND I THINK ITS THE BEST I'V TRIED!

aziajs · 04-30-2006, 06:18 PM #72 (**permalink**)

Well, yes and no. There is a consumer line and a pro line. And both are used by professionals.

Bass-0-Matic · 04-30-2006, 11:24 PM #73 (**permalink**)

MAC is mainly focused on the consumer aspect of marketing and was used a lot by professionals in the MA industry. However, after Estee Lauder bought the company, MAC has been under cutting the actual artists who have to work harder to get the same jobs. They send out free teams of sales associates to cover fashion week and other jobs as long as they have exclussive rights to do all of the makeup and are credited for it. A lot of free-lancers in inner circles are giving up using and purchasing MAC products because they feel that MAC is not doing their areas justice by sending teams with little to no experience and are taking money from them. There is much more to this issue than a few sentences. Essentially it is used a lot backstage but there are a growing number of professional artists who are banding together to effectively boycott MAC and not use it.

Wattage · 04-30-2006, 11:40 PM #74 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by Bass-0-Matic

MAC is mainly focused on the consumer aspect of marketing and was used a lot by professionals in the MA industry. However, after Estee Lauder bought the company, MAC has been under cutting the actual artists who have to work harder to get the same jobs. They send out free teams of sales associates to cover fashion week and other jobs as long as they have exclussive rights to do all of the makeup and are credited for it. A lot of free-lancers in inner circles are giving up using and purchasing MAC products because they feel that MAC is not doing their areas justice by sending teams with little to no experience and are taking money from them. There is much more to this issue than a few sentences. Essentially it is used a lot backstage but there are a growing number of professional artists who are banding together to effectively boycott MAC and not use it.

Really? This is the first I have heard of this. Are there any other MAs who could possibly comment on this?

TIA

Bass-0-Matic · 04-30-2006, 11:42 PM #75 (**permalink**)

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Originally Posted by wattage

Really? This is the first I have heard of this. Are there any other MAs who could possibly comment on this?

TIA

I just wanted to add that I love the MAC that I own, and I am not an MUA. I found a very long thread here at this forum:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fmakeupandre... D=7896.topic

It is many pages long, but if you take the time to read it, it answers a lot of questions. there are also many different threads on the forum that answer the same questions.

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