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Re: PLEASE READ:about coastal scents(very bad news)

Woah
post #62 of 233

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Originally Posted by caffn8me View Post
You'll find sand in huuuuuuuuuuge quantities on the beach. Every chemical we are exposed to in our daily lives is dangerous under certain circumstances.

Even water is deadly. Scientists have discovered that if you inject a rat with two pints of water it dies. Dangerous stuff, water.

Just because the MSDS gives alarming information and suggests protective clothing for handling a chemical doesn't mean there's any real danger from the chemical in normal everyday use.

MSDSs exist so that those who work with the chemical can be protected against possible health risks. It's partly a legal ass-covering exercise too.

Don't let the scaremongering from those without a good scientific understanding put you off. They may be genuinely concerned but they don't really know the subject they're talking about.
I 'm scared only because i'm working everyday with much more dangerous chemicals than the ones for everyday usage in my chem lab and i'm becoming a little paranoid XD i was talking about those chemicals (and the fear is making me suspicious against anything which has a chemical formula LOL)...It came to my mind talking about these things...though we wear proper protection clothing and stuff i'm always a little scared...but this is OT, sorry :P

Anyway i quote almost everything you said in your previous post...
This is what i try to say sometimes also to natural products fanatics who say that everything which is not completely natural is not safe and is harmful...I think it's almost the same matter as the silica matter discussed here. I mean...many of natural compounds (as you made us all notice with very effective examples) are dangerous, many plants and herbal extracts too and it is to say that many of the products that all the "bio-fanatic" (not talking of anyone here, just someone i know it's like that) consider dangerous because they're made by chemical synthesys are just mimetics of natural compounds, the only difference is that they are produced in a lab because sometimes this is way cheaper than extracting and processing them from plants or microorganisms...
It always depends on usage and quantities, as also panda0410 said

I hope you understand what i wanted to say, sometimes my english plays tricks on me and it seems i'm talking mars language, mostly in these difficult-to-explain-matters LOL

EDIT: on the issue of masks and such: we wear them because some chemicals are harmful when we use them but after we process them they're not anymore and because we must do it by law. We receive the visit of sanitary employees every three months without notice in advance because they must control that we wear our self protection stuff ALWAYS in the lab, even if we're doing anything, as you enter a chemical lab you must wear protective clothes, gloves and glasses. This not necessary means that we're working with dangerous stuff (except with silica, i already said that it's harmful by inhalation but i'm noticing that almost everyone here knows this)
post #63 of 233

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Your English is really excellent - much better than many who claim it is their first language!

It is absolutely right to treat chemicals with respect and wear proper protective clothing when handling them. It is also absolutely right to say that natural does not mean safe.

Tetrodotoxin is 100% natural (puffer fish poison), Ricin (from castor beans) is 100% natural. Both can be deadly in very small quantities. There are countless synthetic chemicals much safer than either of these.
post #64 of 233

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(BTW yes I know that all the coastal scents pallets can be found on eBay from the source, but Id rather order from coastal scents. They are coming from china and the shipping is horrendous -- and long. I also am less likely to get a problem solved quickly if something goes awry. Sometimes it just pays to deal with the middle man. )
Have you actually ordered any of these palettes from eBay? Because you're making a lot of assumptions here that aren't well-founded. I ordered 4 palettes from eBay from a Chinese seller (the same palettes that CS resells) and the service was extremely quick (9 days shipping time, that's faster than shipment from the USA!) and the total cost is still a lot cheaper than buying from CS. I don't know if I just lucked out, but I had no problem with buying from eBay. I did a few videos on these palettes, if you want to see what seller I bought from.



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Does coastal scents send Youtubers their products for review?

I don't think that I will be purchasing products from coastal scents. I don't apprecaite any business bullying their customers.
Yes, CS and other companies send their products for free to popular Youtubers to review. Now, I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with that at all, it's good to get the word out on new products, but that's the main reason why CS has gotten so well known recently. However, now that we are finding out about their shady business practices, I personally feel that as a makeup artist, I cannot support this company, especially when these products are available online for much less and I don't have to worry about being badmouthed by some online CS mafia if I don't like the products.
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Have you actually ordered any of these palettes from eBay? Because you're making a lot of assumptions here that aren't well-founded. I ordered 4 palettes from eBay from a Chinese seller (the same palettes that CS resells) and the service was extremely quick (9 days shipping time, that's faster than shipment from the USA!) and the total cost is still a lot cheaper than buying from CS. I don't know if I just lucked out, but I had no problem with buying from eBay. I did a few videos on these palettes, if you want to see what seller I bought from.
Yes I have actually.
I'm not saying that they're aren't some good sellers from over seas because i have my seller for brushes that I like who's shipping is good. When I ordered a few pallets back when I first got into make-up from an ebay seller overseas (with good feedback mind you) it took almost 2 weeks when I get my coastal scents orders within a week or less. Mind you, I'm in New York too so we do tend to get our things a bit faster being that we are a big city on the east coast. I cant imagine how long it would have taken if I lived in a small town in the us heartland. Alot of the times too I see that the shiping is more then the actual product. That is how they make their money. I also like having a number I can call to talk to a real person (i've never had to call CS but the option is there if I have to). This is just my personal opinion though -- not fact.
post #66 of 233

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I am shocked that Costal Scents would treat a customer like this!! Even with the fact that she has promoted their products and brought them many, many sales from doing so. If it was not for YouTube, that company would not be even half of what they are today!
Seeing this video has guaranteed that Costal Scents has lost me as a customer for good! There is no way I would purchase that Silica Sphere crap anyways, but the sheer fact that they would call this girl out and accuse her of misinforming the world and calling her names is ludicrous, unwarranted and unprofessional.
I don't want to associate myself with a company like that in this day and time. It is very much a legitimate concern and there are articles above and beyond the World Wide Web that illustrate such health and safety concerns over such a product. No way would I order from a company that has complete lack of moral and judgment over legitimate concerns over this product.
For them to attack and chastise Erica for informing us about the potential dangers on a personal Vlog is ludicrous, unwarranted and unprofessional. She even defended these people!! They have proven themselves to be irresponsible in addressing the appropriate concerns about the product. Copy and pasting information from Wikipedia does not make these buffoons at Costal Scents any more informed than the next Joe Blow.
If they gave a flying *&$! About the actual health concerns that people have, they would have addressed such concerns about the product in a reasonable and professional manner. Of course that is not even close to what they did! Just because FDA slaps a label on it, doesn’t mean someone can just smear it all over their body in any quantity, if a consumer does not know how to use the product correctly, Coastal Scents is liable for putting that customer in danger!
Okay, I’m done with my rant I think. I just think in this day and age, companies like Costal Scents should nurture their relationship with the customer and not condemn them for questioning their products and their safety. This is our body people!!
post #67 of 233

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May I suggest checking out " A Consumer's Dictionary of Cosmetics Ingredients" by Ruth Winter. It is quite thorough and lists what ingredients are harmful plus, the FDA's position on them.
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!!!!!Coastal Scents Controversy!!!!! PLEASE WATCH

I hope everyone has watched this video, but if you have not, i am creating a link so that you can. Coastal Scents is now losing customers due to a controversy regarding a harmful carcinogen used in one of their powders. Please watch this video before using or purchasing the product!!


YouTube - PLEASE WATCH!!!: Coastal Scents Called Me Ignorant!
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I don't have time to watch a vid--what is the component in question?
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already being discussed.
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The thread at PLEASE READ:about coastal scents(very bad news gives you everything you need to know, including why the video is wrong about safety.
post #72 of 233

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Originally Posted by panda0410 View Post
chemical A - ammonium?

Frankly I think the whole debate has been blown way out of proportion. Silica is quite common and used in SO many products including commercial lubricants and in car components. So are we all going to boycot our cars? Are mechanics and tradesmen going to stop using lubricants? I dont think so.... The real issue is inhalation - I have a medical background and silicosis occurs almost exclusively in miners.... the scale of risk for use in cosmetics isnt remotely the same.

As for the companys response, it could have been handled much better. I dont buy their items, never have, but am not likely to now either.
I completely agree that the debate regarding silica had blown out of proportion. But the reason people do not want to buy from them anymore is because of the way they handle issues. The youtube girl never claimed she was a chemist or whatever, she just gave a warning and told people do their own research. The fact that coastal scents went after her like that was extremely unprofessional and this was not the first time they did it either. I personally don't want to buy from them because the owner is an ass who doesn't know how to properly treat her customers.

Also there were other situation where people ended up with strange cc charges after ordering from coastal scent. The odd thing was that charges were coming from the same state and city as where coastal scents is located. In addition, another girl had her card charged 2 and when she called the so called rep was so rude that she actually called her a liar and hung up on her. The only way she got the extra charge off was after disputing it with her cc company.
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Okay. Does anyone know what the difference between the MUFE HD powder and the Coastal Scents Silica powder is?
post #74 of 233

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Effectively none. They are both silica powder but that is NOT DANGEROUS in normal cosmetic use. It's only hazardous if you inhale it and you shouldn't be snorting it when you are applying it.
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Originally Posted by caffn8me View Post
Effectively none. They are both silica powder but that is NOT DANGEROUS in normal cosmetic use. It's only hazardous if you inhale it and you shouldn't be snorting it when you are applying it.

(Thank-you!)

As far as I'm concerned, I respect make up for ever as a company, I respect their testing practices, their stance on not testing on animals, and I respect their company history. I guarantee you that the MUFE powder had to go through many tests and screenings before it was released to consumers, there is no way that a company as large as MUFE would put out a product that left them liable to lawsuits.

People say plastic water bottles give you cancer.
Just sayin'.

As far as coastal scents go - they are unprofessional.
But until I hear more solid evidence and proper research - I won't be giving up my HD powder.


There are hundreds of products we use in everyday life that would be lethal to us in the wrong or improperly processed quantities.
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(Thank-you!)

As far as I'm concerned, I respect make up for ever as a company, I respect their testing practices, their stance on not testing on animals, and I respect their company history. I guarantee you that the MUFE powder had to go through many tests and screenings before it was released to consumers, there is no way that a company as large as MUFE would put out a product that left them liable to lawsuits.

People say plastic water bottles give you cancer.
Just sayin'.

As far as coastal scents go - they are unprofessional.
But until I hear more solid evidence and proper research - I won't be giving up my HD powder.


There are hundreds of products we use in everyday life that would be lethal to us in the wrong or improperly processed quantities.
Chemically the MUFE HD Powder and Coastal Scent's Silica Sphere powder are identical. They are pure silica of a similar particle size. There is zero difference in risk from using these two products. The only difference is in how the companies deal with their customers and professionalism.

There is no risk difference. Period.
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Originally Posted by caffn8me View Post
Chemically the MUFE HD Powder and Coastal Scent's Silica Sphere powder are identical. They are pure silica of a similar particle size. There is zero difference in risk from using these two products. The only difference is in how the companies deal with their customers and professionalism.

There is no risk difference. Period.
I hear you, I was only referring to MUFE because that is the product I have experience with.
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It saddens me how few people tried to investigate the source of this information or think for themselves. Just because someone said so on you tube doesn't mean it's true.
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Even water is deadly. Scientists have discovered that if you inject a rat with two pints of water it dies. Dangerous stuff, water.
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A lot of thing in excess can be very dangerous. Things you usually deemed safe or never though about. As far as water there have been a number of cases were people have died due to intaking too much water. There is a limit to how much water the body can take in and if it too much, your system will get flushed out. Sad but true.
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I think most people are taking issue with the professionalism of how an online company has handled this, it's not only about the product, it's how the owners of the company chose to defend their actions...
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It saddens me how few people tried to investigate the source of this information or think for themselves. Just because someone said so on you tube doesn't mean it's true.

I agree completely. When I watched that first video, sure shes a nice girl, but she admitted that the first info she found was just on a forum... there are many people who believe many things that aren't true, thats why I won't stop using the product until I come across real research from scientists and doctors, or until the product is recalled. Im emailing MUFE today just to see what kind of documentation they can provide me with as far as the powder goes, just out of curiousity.
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I hear you, I was only referring to MUFE because that is the product I have experience with.

That may be true. But then again, you don't know where coastal scents gets their silica. There is a possibility that it can be tainted and if that's the case then well that can be very dangerous. (ok, maybe that was incorrect to say but there have been a lot of product recalled and all of them were FDA approved as well)


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It saddens me how few people tried to investigate the source of this information or think for themselves. Just because someone said so on you tube doesn't mean it's true.
Once again, the girl never claimed she was a scientist or anything. She decided to share some information she came upon and it was a legitimate concern. She even advised people to do their own research. The whole situation got out of control after CC handled it extremely unprofessionally. Also those people don't know what they are doing or what silica is exactly as proven by their erratic ever changing disclaimer of the powder on their own website.
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I think most people are taking issue with the professionalism of how an online company has handled this, it's not only about the product, it's how the owners of the company chose to defend their actions...
This thread has been merged with two others which were concerned primarily with product safety and that's the sensationalist twist being used to promote the story.
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That may be true. But then again, you don't know where coastal scents gets their silica. There is a possibility that it can be tainted and if that's the case then well that can be very dangerous.
Coastal Scents uses cosmetic grade silica. It isn't tainted. You can read an ingredient analysis report here

The product is cosmetic grade and FDA approved for cosmetic use.

It must pass the following specifications;

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Test Name Specification Test Methods
Appearance Spherical Shaped White Powder Visual
Odor None Organoleptic
Loss on Drying, % Min : 0 - Max : 7 1hrs. @ 105°C
Microbiology Less Than 100 Organisms Per Gram With Current USP Microbial Limit Test
No Pathogens
Loss on Ignition, % Min : 0 - Max : 18 3hrs. @ 500°C
Average Particle Size, µm Min : 10 - Max : 14 Coulter Counter Model TA-II
Particle Size Range, µm Min : 2 - Max : 20 Light Scattering Sizer
Arsenic, ppm Min : 0 - Max : 2 CTFA Method F 1-1, Silver
Diethyldithiocarbamate
Lead, ppm Min : 0 - Max : 10 Weak Acid Extraction AA Method
Oil Absorption, g. / 100g. Min : 125 - Max : 140 ASTM Method D281-84
Linseed Oil
SiO2, % Min : 98 - Max : 100 JSCI Method
Specific Surface Area, m2/g Min : 728 - Max : 928 Singlepoint BET
Please let's have no more uninformed scaremongering about safety.
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I'm not really concerned about the safety aspect at this point, but I'm really sad CS would treat a customer like that. It doesn't seem like much forethought went into attacking this customer, because this will likely have serious financial repercussions in terms of lost orders.

CS has been growing steadily and maybe this would be a good time for them to consult a professional publicist for help dealing with this kind of thing, to ensure disagreements are handled in a more diplomatic manner.
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The problem with data from an MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) is that you have to have some scientific background to understand it and I don't think the girl in the YouTube does. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
This is indeed true! Just because something says hazardous on the MSDS does not mean it is at all dangerous at average levels of exposure. I remember this from my organic chemistry classes in university - common compounds like salt (as mentioned) and vanillin are listed as hazardous. It depends very much on concentration, exposure level, etc. The MSDS should be read with these things in mind and are not necessarily good indicators of risks associated with common use.

That said, I'll never order from Coastal Scents because a) you don't treat a customer that way, b) their website seems shady/their products are cheap and too good to be true.
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THERE IS NO HEALTH RISK TO CONSUMERS WHO USE COASTAL SCENTS SILICA SPHERES POWDER SENSIBLY.

If you snort it, you're on your own!
Wow, you're smart, funny and have 'great assets'!
post #88 of 233

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Originally Posted by caffn8me View Post
Effectively none. They are both silica powder but that is NOT DANGEROUS in normal cosmetic use. It's only hazardous if you inhale it and you shouldn't be snorting it when you are applying it.
What about skin contact? Isn't that what the MSDS said, that it's a skin irritant? Or was I reading the wrong one?
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Common salt is a skin irritant, talc is a skin irritant. The vast majority of people will be able to go to the beach (where the sand is mostly silica) and get no skin irritation from it or the salt in the seawater.

Reactions are very rare and most likely harmless. Think of the MSDS as giving the very worst case scenario and giving advice for that.

Imagine what would happen if one person in ten thousand gets a reaction to prolonged skin contact (I have no idea what the actual incidence of reactions is) but that one person happened to work in a manufacturing plant where silica powder was used and the employer hadn't provided protective clothing in accordance with the MSDS recommendations. Can you spell lawsuit?

However uncommon reactions are, the MSDS still has to take into account the fact that they may happen. It errs on the side of caution, always.

You have far more dangerous chemicals in your cupboards at home.
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Originally Posted by caffn8me View Post
Common salt is a skin irritant, talc is a skin irritant. The vast majority of people will be able to go to the beach (where the sand is mostly silica) and get no skin irritation from it or the salt in the seawater.

Reactions are very rare and most likely harmless. Think of the MSDS as giving the very worst case scenario and giving advice for that.

Imagine what would happen if one person in ten thousand gets a reaction to prolonged skin contact (I have no idea what the actual incidence of reactions is) but that one person happened to work in a manufacturing plant where silica powder was used and the employer hadn't provided protective clothing in accordance with the MSDS recommendations. Can you spell lawsuit?

However uncommon reactions are, the MSDS still has to take into account the fact that they may happen. It errs on the side of caution, always.

You have far more dangerous chemicals in your cupboards at home.
This is such a fine powder, it's bound to create clouds of dust that's easily breathed in. You can't control how much of this stuff is airborne, nor can you control (with out ventilation) how much is breathed in. How much can you breath in with out it harming you? If there's any chance of harm, then it should be pulled off the shelf. Or, at the very least, a warning should be issued on the package to not breath this stuff... and let us as consumers, take that risk with out harm to the company that produced this stuff. And since this is fine powder, you can easily "snort" this stuff.

But I think the hype is more about the treatment versus the product. I've heard a few horror stories about CS.
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