MAC Early Buzz - news on products for 2012 - Page 117

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Originally Posted by Pinkdollface 

I'm also not really attached to the brand. I only have the naked palette and the BOS3. I like TFSI over UDPP so another vote for TFSI here!

 

I really hope somebody can change the mind of chinese people. It's so sad about the way animals are treated there. I have been there once and in one of the warehouses i've seen that they sold a ton of leather and fur. It was so scary to see.

I don't think the Chinese government will change their views any time soon. We are probably talking about years and years.

The only thing consumers, we, can really do - if we care about animal testing - is stop buying brands that do animal testing. This is the only logical conclusion that we can draw.

It does not help much to send this or that brand an email or bombard their facebook page if we continue to buy the products as if there is no tomorrow. There are certainly other brands that do not test on animals, though they will probably not as hip as MAC or UD.

Just to be clear, I am not pointing fingers at anyone, I am just pointing out the simplest solution that it out there.

I couldn't agree more. We as customers have an enormous power if we choose to wield it. If we're really unhappy with a brands policy, either because we don't like that MAC churns out one collection after the next or that UD chose another animal testing policy, we just can convince them via withholding our money.

Stumbled upon a little video about the Ruffian Fall show, where you can see some new MAC products for fall I think. Here's a screen shot:

Here's the video

Fall 2012: Hair & Makeup Test - YouTube

Looks like products from HC and some new blushes, maybe from the big fall collection.

Tx Naynadine! I'm loving the lip palettes. I wish they would be avail on the regular MAC online site. I can never find them. I'm also liking the new blushes even though I can't make them out too well.  I can't wait to find out more about the Fall/Winter collections & upcoming products.

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Originally Posted by Naynadine 

Stumbled upon a little video about the Ruffian Fall show, where you can see some new MAC products for fall I think. Here's a screen shot:

 

 

Here's the video

 

Fall 2012: Hair & Makeup Test - YouTube

 

Looks like products from HC and some new blushes, maybe from the big fall collection.

UD did a Q&A with T. Smh they need to stop talking!

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Originally Posted by Richelle83 

UD did a Q&A with T. Smh they need to stop talking!

UD's "How Could Anyone" strategy is now more than obsolete. *sarcasms* :)

When I was younger I never truly understood the saying "Money is the root of all evil." The older I get, the more I understand it. It's sad when money is chosen over ethics but, in this day and age what can you expect. I truly hope that China reconsiders these mandatory animal testing laws. 

Chanel Imitiable Intense mascara by far the best mascara i have ever tried

i always pick it as my sample when i order online and i know counters also have small free samples

you guys have to check it out

ITS AMAZING truly

definitely a investment

your lashes are not stiff, its not wet and than dries on your lashes 

 you get big drama no smudging and it lasts all day

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Originally Posted by Mac-Guy 

UD's "How Could Anyone" strategy is now more than obsolete. *sarcasms* :)

Exactly! How could they think their customers wouldn't see the hypocrisy in their expansion into China.

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Originally Posted by Genn 

Exactly! How could they think their customers wouldn't see the hypocrisy in their expansion into China.

"We're only testing on animals so we can expand into China, and then we can show people in China that testing on animals is wrong!"

Oh dear.

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Originally Posted by gracie90 

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"We're only testing on animals so we can expand into China, and then we can show people in China that testing on animals is wrong!"

Oh dear.

They must think we are idiots. :)

On second thought, I don't think it will have much influence on their sales in the US and Europe. It would be nice, however, if they simply stated that in order to stay competitive, they need to enter the Chinese market, and therefore must oblige to animal testing. But the above quotation is just public relations BS.

its is in the works to stop animal testing in china just so you all know. we got briefed about it. but that is all i can actually say about it. a few brands have come together to work with the chinese government to change the policy an show them that the products do not need to be tested on animals. if you all stop buying the brand that test on animals then i guess all you all will stop buying MAC products and stop wearing them as well. so that is is whole lot of shopping to replace all your collection 

This is great news paparazziboy!!!! I do hope China realizes that animals are living and feeling creatures as we humans are. There shouldn't be animal testing done at all, but at the same time, I do realize a lot of companies do practice this. Not just cosmetic companies. It's a lot out there and I don't know when and if it will ever stop.

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Originally Posted by paparazziboy 

its is in the works to stop animal testing in china just so you all know. we got briefed about it. but that is all i can actually say about it. a few brands have come together to work with the chinese government to change the policy an show them that the products do not need to be tested on animals. if you all stop buying the brand that test on animals then i guess all you all will stop buying MAC products and stop wearing them as well. so that is is whole lot of shopping to replace all your collection 

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Originally Posted by paparazziboy 

its is in the works to stop animal testing in china just so you all know. we got briefed about it. but that is all i can actually say about it. a few brands have come together to work with the chinese government to change the policy an show them that the products do not need to be tested on animals. if you all stop buying the brand that test on animals then i guess all you all will stop buying MAC products and stop wearing them as well. so that is is whole lot of shopping to replace all your collection 

Thanks for this info! I'm so glad they are working on it.

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Originally Posted by paparazziboy 

its is in the works to stop animal testing in china just so you all know. we got briefed about it. but that is all i can actually say about it. a few brands have come together to work with the chinese government to change the policy an show them that the products do not need to be tested on animals. if you all stop buying the brand that test on animals then i guess all you all will stop buying MAC products and stop wearing them as well. so that is is whole lot of shopping to replace all your collection 

Thanks for the update.

I don't follow your second point though; if consumers decide on a go-forward basis to stop buying from MAC or any other brand that is now selling to China (and by default testing on animals), I don't see how that would lead to them feeling the need to discard all the products purchased from the company in the past when they were not testing on animals. It's the go forward policy that's the issue, not the former policy.

I haven't done much research into this issue so I really don't know whether the brands I purchase do or don't test on animals. So this shift to selling in China isn't likely to sway my behaviour. Having said that, if this was an issue I was passionate about I would alter my go forward purchasing, but I woudln't see any reason to get rid of the products I purchased before the policy changed. Those weren't produced during a time when animal testing was happening, so keeping them wouldn't be a crisis of conscience for me and would have absolutely no impact to MAC. Future purchases are a different story. For that reason, I don't think that stop buying = stop wearing.

I do hope the policy in China changes; when it does and the changes are final and implemented it will be a good thing.

Edit for yet another freaking typo.

The Chinese have a rather poor record of animal welfare, probably mostly due to the complete lack of legislation for it in law. If an individual doesn't get punished for inhumane treatment of an animal, there's nothing to deter them or others from doing it again. I seriously doubt that there'll be major changes anytime soon, regardless of how many cosmetic companies rally behind the cause. It'll be a long, slow process. There are plenty of people in China who are against animal cruelty, and many of them (academics, celebrites, the common person etc.,) have tried to lobby the government into putting animal welfare laws into place, to no avail.

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Originally Posted by sosdrielle 

The Chinese have a rather poor record of animal welfare, probably mostly due to the complete lack of legislation for it in law. If an individual doesn't get punished for inhumane treatment of an animal, there's nothing to deter them or others from doing it again. I seriously doubt that there'll be major changes anytime soon, regardless of how many cosmetic companies rally behind the cause. It'll be a long, slow process. There are plenty of people in China who are against animal cruelty, and many of them (academics, celebrites, the common person etc.,) have tried to lobby the government into putting animal welfare laws into place, to no avail.

But the economy has grown a lot and if they want it to stay that way or grow even more they need to change some of their laws. They are still behind with their laws for human and animal rights. If some of those become better maybe there's a chance that the cosmetic companies can stop animal testing or at least take away the obligation to test on animals. (i hope that was all somewhat correct english)

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Originally Posted by Pinkdollface 

But the economy has grown a lot and if they want it to stay that way or grow even more they need to change some of their laws. They are still behind with their laws for human and animal rights. If some of those become better maybe there's a chance that the cosmetic companies can stop animal testing or at least take away the obligation to test on animals. (i hope that was all somewhat correct english)

Your English was perfect! I don't really see where the motivation is for the Chinese government to stop animal testing, at the moment at least. Their economy is booming, whereas others are in crisis. These cosmetics companies have accepted the government's requirements for testing, bringing more money and jobs into the economy. Hopefully, over time, the companies will be able to exert pressure and lobby for a change in the law regarding cosmetics. Believe me, I'd love it if this happened!

I still can't believe it about UD though. They were always out there advertising themselves as cruelty-free, so it's a massive deal for them to sell in China. I'm not vegan and I don't buy exclusively from companies that claim they are cruelty-free, but it's still kinda turned me off Urban Decay.

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Originally Posted by sosdrielle 

Your English was perfect! I don't really see where the motivation is for the Chinese government to stop animal testing, at the moment at least. Their economy is booming, whereas others are in crisis. These cosmetics companies have accepted the government's requirements for testing, bringing more money and jobs into the economy. Hopefully, over time, the companies will be able to exert pressure and lobby for a change in the law regarding cosmetics. Believe me, I'd love it if this happened!

 

I still can't believe it about UD though. They were always out there advertising themselves as cruelty-free, so it's a massive deal for them to sell in China. I'm not vegan and I don't buy exclusively from companies that claim they are cruelty-free, but it's still kinda turned me off Urban Decay.

I'm glad my english was correct. I've been improving my english so much from this forum, which is very nice! I believe other countries have already been pushing on china changing their laws because they're behind, so that's why i was thinking they might change their minds.

I understand why you feel that way about UD. I always thought it was really important to them to be cruelty free, but i'm not really sure about that anymore.

Does anyone know if the 131 is going to make a comeback? I was suppose to get in a swap but instead got swaplifted and I am pretty pissed at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Piarpreet 

BTW the new mascara from MAC (extended play or something) SUCKS BUTT!

I'm gonna return it cos it really is hideous! It doesnt keep curl, its super hard once it dries... its the hardest to remove (even though I think it's not waterproof) 

 

did anybody else try it?

Oh darned! I just knew it... I have a bad feeling about that one. Thanks for the heads up.

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Originally Posted by RayannaBanana 

Does anyone know if the 131 is going to make a comeback? I was suppose to get in a swap but instead got swaplifted and I am pretty pissed at the moment.

Haven't heard or seen anything about it.

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Originally Posted by ThePowderPuff 

 

Oh darned! I just knew it... I have a bad feeling about that one. Thanks for the heads up.

I actually got this yesterday and so far love it! Its dryer than most of my other mascaras and does a great job of lengthening my lashes. hth!

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Originally Posted by Edelmc 


What are your fav mascaras? I really like false lash and plush lash from mac but was disappointed with haute & naughty

honestly i like diorshow and helena rubinstein and ysl mascaras more than mac. in fact i used plush lash and i didnt like and another 2...opulash and this last one and all are meh

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Originally Posted by MRV 

 

What do you mean by a bad quality waterproof mascara?

 

I stay away from any mascara with a panda danger. I just hate it when I have dark smudges under my eyes! (Even fluidlines sometimes do that. That's why I only have 4 of them, including Blacktrack I hardly use (because it's black)). And they show because I never put anything colourful under my eyes/lowerlids (only a skin colour liner to waterline).

well it was impossible to completely remove....so..... i woke up all smudged up!

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Originally Posted by Mac-Guy 

 

They must think we are idiots. :)

 

 

On second thought, I don't think it will have much influence on their sales in the US and Europe. It would be nice, however, if they simply stated that in order to stay competitive, they need to enter the Chinese market, and therefore must oblige to animal testing. But the above quotation is just public relations BS.

yup.

It seems the Chinese are looking into ditching animal testing

http://www.britishbeautyblogger.com/2012/06/urban-decay-in-china-fools-rush-in.html

I dont think it will happen..... chinese and their empathy with animals.....hmm i doubt it. I can imagine a bunch of chips with lipstick on before they stop doing it.

just in case u guys are bored this weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvo1q4q8eOM&feature=plcp