MAC x Archie's Girls (Betty & Veronica) Collection Discussion (February 2013) - Page 51

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Originally Posted by liba 

oh god, have you seen Carrot Top lately???

 

 

 

Plastic surgery + steroids nightmare (plus crappy makeup on top of it all). He was kinda boyishly cute way back when he was first starting out (not that I want to comment on his comedy act, lol).

So I'm having serious trouble falling asleep tonight, and I've decided to blame this picture.  I hope you're happy, liba!  I can't sleep for fear of nightmares about that face! 

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne 

 

So I'm having serious trouble falling asleep tonight, and I've decided to blame this picture.  I hope you're happy, liba!  I can't sleep for fear of nightmares about that face! 

awww here maybe this will make up for it:

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Originally Posted by kimibos 

     she got really negative with mac all of a sudden and that;s the kind of people she attracts, negative people. if you read the comments they havent liked any of the past mac collections, because they never get to test the products for themselves. all the do is repeat what she says. 

Sooo true. That's why I moved to Specktra.  All that toxic juju in T just drove me away.

^ Looks like my hair but a bit longer and his is curly compared to mine!
 

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Originally Posted by KiKi Kontour 

 

 oh noooo she stole yo shhhhhhyt???  i must say i been crackin up at ur last few comments esp when she does call out other folks for not crediting her!! she has been pretty harsh on mac lately but i dnt necessarily take her word cuz i like to go n swatch n try for myself for a final verdict. she totally dogged out n TRASHED their office collection! i was like well dmnnnnn

Nah, she didn't.  And from what I've seen, a good amount of MAC's products have been going downhill in a huge way lately, they have completely stopped caring.  Their eyeshadows (singles and palettes) have been especially bad, almost always dry and having very little pigment even over a good base.  Some of the blushes have been bad too, and the Office Hours collection never should have been put thru with the horrible quality all the products had.  I was pretty sad because I really liked some of the colors.  They should just give up and make all eyeshadows Extra Dimension from now on, those things are amazing.

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Originally Posted by Miss Dynamite 

Nah, she didn't.  And from what I've seen, a good amount of MAC's products have been going downhill in a huge way lately, they have completely stopped caring.  Their eyeshadows (singles and palettes) have been especially bad, almost always dry and having very little pigment even over a good base.  Some of the blushes have been bad too, and the Office Hours collection never should have been put thru with the horrible quality all the products had.  I was pretty sad because I really liked some of the colors.  They should just give up and make all eyeshadows Extra Dimension from now on, those things are amazing.

T didn't steal pics? But why are a couple of girls on here saying that she did? Why would they lie about that and if you're so sure how do you know? I'm asking because I was not around when all of that stuff happened and honestly believe the girls on here before I would believe T. I hope your don't feel offended, because that's really not how this is meant. I'm just wondering.

I do not agree that so many products were bad. I actually thought this was a great year for Mac  I feel like often the problem with for example quads is, is that people swatch them with their fingers and some textures just can handle that and you really shouldn't touch them at all with your fingers. When they are swatched with a brush and never before touched with fingers they can be great.

I do hope Mac will release more EDES, because indeed those were amazing!

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Originally Posted by Mac-Guy 

 

In addition, strong pigmentation is not necessarily a sign of quality. Some of my HG products are low in pigmentation, but that's exactly what I like about them. While we've seen a lot of bold lips, there has also been a growing trend for sheer eye make up that is much more subtle than in previous years. Personally, I love it. It allows you to contour your eyes with a much wider range of colors w/ looking made up. I don't care much for bold lips, but I love that so many were available last year and I enjoyed all the lovely swatches and FOTD images of bright lippies.

 

What I don't understand is that so many people leave negative comments on T's site when she posts about MAC. If you don't like a brand, why do you even bother to look at what they offer? It seems a waste of time that 90% of the comments are about "how much one hates MAC." Sadly, T's reviews just feed into these comments and it seems that her site thrives celebrating how disappointed she is with MAC. I think she would be better off reviewing the brands she likes. And if there are colors that are clearly not suited for her complexion, she needs to stay away from them. It's her robotic swatch routine that turns me off.

On a positive note, she has still the best lip swatches. They might not be color true due to various issues (lighting, photoshop [?!]), but her lips are perfect for swatches.

Yup I agree with most you said.

I also don't understand why someone would review a brand or look into it when they don't like it. I mean you want to spend your life doing thing you like, don't you? It is ok if you don't like a certain brand, but just leave it at that instead of repeating that you don't like it everywhere. I'm not just talking about T here, but mainly the people that put the comments there. I do understand that T might feel like she needs to review every Mac product that comes out, because people ask her, but if those same people leave comments that they hate the brand and don't like this and that why does she still bother? I feel a bit sad for her that she gets all those comments, I mean I would not feel so happy anymore reviewing the brand if people that comment don't like it anyway. I still read her reviews, but also use my past experience and reviews on here to make final decisions. Her lipswatches are indeed great.

I haven't been on Specktra for long so I don't really know much about the swatch stealing thing unfolded, but I find it hard to believe that anyone would accuse T of stealing their swatches for no reason. On the other hand, T should be the last person to resort to such behaviour because she has been blogging long enough to know these things don't go unnoticed.

I do most of my makeup shopping without seeing the products in person so makeup blogs, including T, are a godsend. The more different swatches around, the better. I think she's done an awesome job over the years and I don't think she's necessarily being unfair to MAC. It's her blog and she's perfectly entitled to her opinions, even though I don't agree with them half the time. What I find bizarre are the worshippers BTL, singing her praises and wildly affirming her every word. It's almost like a strange little cult.

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Originally Posted by Mac-Guy 

 

In addition, strong pigmentation is not necessarily a sign of quality. Some of my HG products are low in pigmentation, but that's exactly what I like about them. While we've seen a lot of bold lips, there has also been a growing trend for sheer eye make up that is much more subtle than in previous years. Personally, I love it. It allows you to contour your eyes with a much wider range of colors w/ looking made up. I don't care much for bold lips, but I love that so many were available last year and I enjoyed all the lovely swatches and FOTD images of bright lippies.

 

What I don't understand is that so many people leave negative comments on T's site when she posts about MAC. If you don't like a brand, why do you even bother to look at what they offer? It seems a waste of time that 90% of the comments are about "how much one hates MAC." Sadly, T's reviews just feed into these comments and it seems that her site thrives celebrating how disappointed she is with MAC. I think she would be better off reviewing the brands she likes. And if there are colors that are clearly not suited for her complexion, she needs to stay away from them. It's her robotic swatch routine that turns me off.

On a positive note, she has still the best lip swatches. They might not be color true due to various issues (lighting, photoshop [?!]), but her lips are perfect for swatches.

Yup. Her lip freckle really helps me assess how opaque a lipstick is.

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Originally Posted by liba 

 

awww here maybe this will make up for it:

 

 

Lordylordy, glad I have my own ginger so I don't need to hunt this guy down =|

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Originally Posted by BuickMackane 

I haven't been on Specktra for long so I don't really know much about the swatch stealing thing unfolded, but I find it hard to believe that anyone would accuse T of stealing their swatches for no reason. On the other hand, T should be the last person to resort to such behaviour because she has been blogging long enough to know these things don't go unnoticed.

 

I do most of my makeup shopping without seeing the products in person so makeup blogs, including T, are a godsend. The more different swatches around, the better. I think she's done an awesome job over the years and I don't think she's necessarily being unfair to MAC. It's her blog and she's perfectly entitled to her opinions, even though I don't agree with them half the time. What I find bizarre are the worshippers BTL, singing her praises and wildly affirming her every word. It's almost like a strange little cult.

Well said.

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Originally Posted by Mac-Guy 

I heard through the grapevine that by the end of next week, most stores and counters should have received their stock for this collection. This means you can go and swatch in the backroom. I know I will!

I wish I could, but we will have to wait till march I'm afraid...*sigh* march is so far away...

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Originally Posted by Pinkdollface 

T didn't steal pics? But why are a couple of girls on here saying that she did? Why would they lie about that and if you're so sure how do you know? I'm asking because I was not around when all of that stuff happened and honestly believe the girls on here before I would believe T. I hope your don't feel offended, because that's really not how this is meant. I'm just wondering.

I do not agree that so many products were bad. I actually thought this was a great year for Mac  I feel like often the problem with for example quads is, is that people swatch them with their fingers and some textures just can handle that and you really shouldn't touch them at all with your fingers. When they are swatched with a brush and never before touched with fingers they can be great.

I do hope Mac will release more EDES, because indeed those were amazing!

There have been so many false accusations in the years I've been reading.  As with the touching with fingers, I always am careful to not do that, or touch anything with a dirty brush either.  MAC will always be my favorite brand, and for my the most part, the only brand I buy, and I used to just buy everything that was a pretty color, despite reviews.  But in doing that, I wasted a lot of money on products that will never be used since I have no way of selling them.  I'm a bit disappointed that they keep making crappy products permanent instead of great products, but hell as long as they keep releasing Extra Dimension eyeshadows, I don't care how horrible their regular ones are.

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Originally Posted by Mac-Guy 

 

At least you get the benefit of seeing lots of swatches and reviews before it is released in your country. That's a big advantage, though I can certainly see your point that waiting for a collection is frustrating. But you get Strength in February, right?

Yeah it has both a plus and a minus side. As long as I can go to a counter it is not the biggest problem if we don't have swatches, but then I might bring home more than I should or less and regret things, because I didn't have time to think about it. Yes we get Strength in february, but only online and I've had bad experience with Mac online, so luckily I was able to get a cp! I already got 2 lippies and the rest will follow this or next week hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Miss Dynamite 

There have been so many false accusations in the years I've been reading.  As with the touching with fingers, I always am careful to not do that, or touch anything with a dirty brush either.  MAC will always be my favorite brand, and for my the most part, the only brand I buy, and I used to just buy everything that was a pretty color, despite reviews.  But in doing that, I wasted a lot of money on products that will never be used since I have no way of selling them.  I'm a bit disappointed that they keep making crappy products permanent instead of great products, but hell as long as they keep releasing Extra Dimension eyeshadows, I don't care how horrible their regular ones are.

I didn't see those, but then again I'm only part of the community since february 2010. I'm glad the reviews do help you not to purchase stuff you don't like. I guess we just have different tastes. I'm not always looking for the most pigmented shadow, because it can end up way higher than I want it to. I also don't understand everything about which things they make permanent, but I guess it has also to do with ingredients not being available all the time and stuff like that that we don't hear of. It's easy for us to say to make this and that colours permanent, but sometimes that might not be an option and of course the hype of something being limited has a lot to do with it as well.

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Originally Posted by elegant-one 

What, Carrot Top doesn't turn you on

I actually thought he was kinda cute before the the roids and the make up and stuff.  I was trying to think of a hot 'ginger' but I am failing here.  Axl Rose comes to mind, but he hasn't weathered the last ten years very well either.  The more I think of it, the more the MAC Archie model is starting to grow on me.  But yeah, it must be a very small town.

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Originally Posted by BuickMackane 

 

Yup. Her lip freckle really helps me assess how opaque a lipstick is.

It is a very useful freckle for that very purpose!  I really like her swatches and she is one of the few who does them on the lips, so even if she hates MAC and feels the need to bash them, I still read her reviews.  I do tend to take what she says with a grain of salt.  She is entitled to her opinion, and evidently she does feel MAC has let her down in some way, maybe that their quality isn't what is used to be or soemthing like that, but she takes it quite personally soemtimes.  Yeah, a more expensive product is going to be better in quality (well, it should be) but MAC to me is the brand that is in the mid range and often turns out quality products that are as good as or better than the high end brands.  Sure they turn out a dud once in a while but I believe it was Einstein who said anyone who hasn't made a mistake has never tried anything new.  (okay, its a paraphrase, but my it gets my point across).  As much as I laugh about T's predictability in bashing MAC, I still go to her site first and her MAC database is the shit, so I am not knocking her.  I appreciate her site.  And as long as its getting hits, I am sure she can laugh all the way to the bank.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't like heavily pigmented eyeshadows. I hate the Naked palette, and it seems to be everyone's HG. I found it challenging to get a light enough application.

I don't like a heavy makeup look, particularly now that I'm getting older. I rocked 80s makeup looks when younger but find a more subtle makeup look to be more flattering now. That doesn't mean I won't wear a bold red lip or that I have a no makeup look, but simply that I find a more subdued application looks better and is more appropriate (professionally, etc).

I love EDES - I have five. I also love MAC's standard eyeshadows; I have two complete 15-pan palettes, 3 duos and a few loose singles. There's nothing wrong, IMO, with their regular eyeshadows. There's no question that I think some shades are easier to work with than others, but part of that is personal preference (I don't like overly frosty/metallic wet look shades as a rule) and part application technique (I use a VERY light hand when applying some of my fave uber pigmented shades like Peacock, Bottle Green and Indian Ink and don't like shades that can't be applied in a sheer way). Having said that, any company with this many launches and products WILL have some duds. I expect that. I've really come to love NARS e/s and blush, but I think the entire Andy Warhol collection is a massive disappointment. I didn't like some of MAC's launches this year either. That doesn't mean I hate MAC or that others are 'wrong' who liked them, simply that we all have preferences and use products in slightly different ways and that will play into our perception of a product's quality.

Whether or not T's opinions reflect many of those here has been debated multiple times since I arrived. I personally greatly value her swatches and pics; they've been tremendously helpful to me. As for opinions, we're all entitled to our own and I have no problem with someone having a different one than mine. Reading a variety of perspectives on a product is helpful; in the end I make up my own mind. I don't think that she gives MAC consistent low marks; I've seen plenty of A ratings lately. She posted an update earlier this week to let people know that the Strength lippies had been restocked so those who missed out could get them. She doesn't care for MES and is pretty up front about that while acknowledging that some others love them. The woman is entitled to her opinion and I've never understood the distain that is sometimes heaped on her for sharing her thoughts on her own blog . It's impossible to please everyone and I think that a blogger should be true to his/her beliefs and values. People are free to read or not. If I consistently don't agree with someone's opinions or don't enjoy their blog, I just don't go back. Problem solved.