Ok, I know this seems really dumb, but I tried to do one the other day on someone else, and there was no way that I could keep it in place. We ended up just waving her hair for prom, but I did feel really bad. Her hair was 4 inches past her shoulders, which should have been a good length, but it was super thick (asian) hair. I tried tons of bobby pins and hairspray but it just wasn't working. Does anyone have any good tips?