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Mac-Guy

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I was hoping she might follow in the footsteps of Chantecaille, another family run company, who always does a percent off sale or a special gift (like a really nice powder one year) at some point during the holidays. Maybe she’ll do something closer to Christmas. Anyway...did you see that DE is doing 20% off their web site this whole weekend?
Thanks. I stocked up on DE at Cult Beauty (for Europe). They always have good offers. I don't think I ever paid full price for DE.

Fingers crossed for a special gift from Gucci. Maybe next year....
 

Winthrop44

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Thanks. I stocked up on DE at Cult Beauty (for Europe). They always have good offers. I don't think I ever paid full price for DE.

Fingers crossed for a special gift from Gucci. Maybe next year....
I stock up on DE during Sephora sales. I always buy the C serum directly from DE for freshness though. What do you think DE’s new product in January will be all about? I guess it’s supposed to be a hydrator of some sort and sounds like it may be called F-Balm. Curious to see the ingredients.
 

Mac-Guy

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I stock up on DE during Sephora sales. I always buy the C serum directly from DE for freshness though. What do you think DE’s new product in January will be all about? I guess it’s supposed to be a hydrator of some sort and sounds like it may be called F-Balm. Curious to see the ingredients.
I don't know anything about the new DE release, but I was hoping for something new in the new year. Last year, the retinol was introduced early during the year.

I wouldn't mind a mask or other weekly treatment. I am not sure how I can incorporate another DE in my night routine. I already use A-Passioni and TLC together + Tretinoin on four other days. A day product would be good too.
 

Mac-Guy

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I stock up on DE during Sephora sales. I always buy the C serum directly from DE for freshness though. What do you think DE’s new product in January will be all about? I guess it’s supposed to be a hydrator of some sort and sounds like it may be called F-Balm. Curious to see the ingredients.
But that's not the new hair product line? I posted in the Sephora board. We might get more answers over there.
 

Winthrop44

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But that's not the new hair product line? I posted in the Sephora board. We might get more answers over there.
I guess anything's possible but whatever the January product is it's something hydrating (they've pretty much said that part with the constant posting of water droplets) that Tiffany used in place of B-Hydra in her am routine. It's certainly possible it's a hair product and she just happened to omit B-Hydra that day and people focused on it. But as someone on IG pointed out the elephant using the F bomb in their little animation to tease the January product had no hair. LOL We'll know soon enough. Personally I think it's a brightening hydrating mask.
 
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Winthrop44

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Mac-Guy Mac-Guy the good news is that the "N" foundation is beautiful. Truly neutral to my eye and finally my perfect match. You would probably love it for winter. The bad news (for me) is now that I found a perfect match and actually used it for several days in a row I confirmed that it irritates my rosacea. Every time I used it in the past my skin looked vaguely irritated/rashy when I washed my face at the end of the day. Since I never had a perfect match before I never used it two days in a row. I used the "N" 2 days in a row, ignored the minor irritation at the end of day 1, and ended up with papules on one cheek. I even confirmed by using it to conceal a fading papule and a tiny area of telangiectasia on the other cheek. The papule flared right up again and the area of telangiectasia looks really angry. So ther's really no doubt in my mind. I really think it's the alcohol. I know it's far down on the ingredient list but I've had issues with triggers (propylene glycol to be exact) even when they're last on the list in a sunscreen; it's just a matter of time for my skin. Perhaps things like physical sunscreen and a creamy texture like this don't allow the alcohol to evaporate or something which makes it stay in contact with my skin longer. Who knows. In any case....sad. I hope the area around the telangiectasia calms down or I'll have a reason to get that laser after all!
 
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Mac-Guy

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Mac-Guy Mac-Guy the good news is that the "N" foundation is beautiful. Truly neutral to my eye and finally my perfect match. You would probably love it for winter. The bad news (for me) is now that I found a perfect match and actually used it for several days in a row I confirmed that it irritates my rosacea. Every time I used it in the past my skin looked vaguely irritated/rashy when I washed my face at the end of the day. Since I never had a perfect match before I never used it two days in a row. I used the "N" 2 days in a row, ignored the minor irritation at the end of day 1, and ended up with papules on one cheek. I even confirmed by using it to conceal a fading papule and a tiny area of telangiectasia on the other cheek. The papule flared right up again and the area of telangiectasia looks really angry. So ther's really no doubt in my mind. I really think it's the alcohol. I know it's far down on the ingredient list but I've had issues with triggers (propylene glycol to be exact) even when they're last on the list in a sunscreen; it's just a matter of time for my skin. Perhaps things like physical sunscreen and a creamy texture like this don't allow the alcohol to evaporate or something which makes it stay in contact with my skin longer. Who knows. In any case....sad. I hope the area around the telangiectasia calms down or I'll have a reason to get that laser after all!
Oh no, I hope your skin calms down. If a product triggers you, stay away from it. It's not worth having irritations and flare ups.

I am using up the Kosas oil foundation - and use WA shade 0 and 1, so will probably get the N shade next Fall. With daily use of WA, I think I need 2 - 3 sticks per year. It's actually not too bad cost-wise. I like the Kosas foundation too, but WA is a better match for me, both in terms of application and color.
 

Winthrop44

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Oh no, I hope your skin calms down. If a product triggers you, stay away from it. It's not worth having irritations and flare ups.

I am using up the Kosas oil foundation - and use WA shade 0 and 1, so will probably get the N shade next Fall. With daily use of WA, I think I need 2 - 3 sticks per year. It's actually not too bad cost-wise. I like the Kosas foundation too, but WA is a better match for me, both in terms of application and color.
Thanks! I'll have to check out Kosas. I like Trish McEvoy Water Foundation (no "suspicious six") a lot although it's matte.
 

Mac-Guy

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Thanks! I'll have to check out Kosas. I like Trish McEvoy Water Foundation (no "suspicious six") a lot although it's matte.
Maybe you can get a sample of the Kosas foundation. I received two generous samples at Neiman Marcus. I found it applies best with fingers, just gently pad it into your skin. It is a liquid foundation and application might be messier - including a messy tube. I will certainly finish it, but I will stick with Westman for the foreseeable future.
 

Mac-Guy

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I'd love a liquid physical sunscreen and a tinted moisturizer...both without alcohol please! :LOL:
I would certainly give both a shot. I am glad Gucci isn't banging out too many products at once though. It gives my wallet a chance to breath and enjoy the products that I have and use them up.

Do you have her blushes too? Do they irritate your skin? The blushes must be a different formula (much more pigment) than the contour stick. I am already on my second contour stick, but the blushes have full bullets despite almost daily use. I find Kjaer Weis blushes to be more long-lasting on my skin, but WA is still my preference.
 

Winthrop44

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My skin is good with her blushes. :) I have all of them except Dou Dou. The blushes and contour stick are the same formula, probably except for the amount of pigment like you're saying, and don't include alcohol:

Blush
Caprylic/capric triglyceride, Kaolin, Caprylyl caprylate/caprate, Simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, Polyethylene, Mica, Polyhydroxystearic acid, Lecithin, Behenylcarbamoylpropyl polysilsesquioxane, Tocopherol, Ascorbyl palmitate, Citric acid, Rubus idaeus leaf cell culture, Carmine (CI 75470)**Chouchette only. May Contain: Titanium dioxide CI 77891, Iron oxides CI 77491, Iron oxides CI 77492, Iron oxides CI 77499, Red 30 lake CI 73360, Blue 1 lake CI 42090, Red 7 lake CI 15850, Yellow 5 lake CI 19140

Contour
Caprylic/capric triglyceride, Kaolin, Caprylyl caprylate/caprate, Simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, Polyethylene, Mica, Polyhydroxystearic acid, Lecithin, Behenylcarbamoylpropyl polysilsesquioxane, Tocopherol, Ascorbyl palmitate, Citric acid, Rubus idaeus leaf cell culture
May Contain: Titanium dioxide CI 77891, Iron oxides CI 77491, Iron oxides CI 77492, Iron oxides CI 77499, Red 30 lake CI 73360, Blue 1 lake CI 42090, Red 7 lake CI 15850, Yellow 5 lake CI 19140
 

Mac-Guy

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I got shade N and it is a very good winter match. I've transitioned now to shade 0 and N for the remainder of the cold season.
 

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