What's the difference between constructive and non constructive criticism?

User67

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Oh & another thing Amity, calling fellow members kiss ups isn't going to make you a lot of friends around here. Just thought I would give you the heads up
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The point of this thread is to discuss the varying manners of criticism and how they should be relayed to another member.
Don't attack each other, don't snipe each other, and don't take it personally. We're discussing what is acceptable to say and what is not, and your position and opinion is very important to the site, as it's the gauge we use for moderation/administration.
Understand the difference between CC and Non-CC, and discuss it.
 

User67

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by TISH1127
That was so rude....If you don't have anything good to say why say anything at all..other than for attention purposes....Hope you feel good about yourself...Please post your fotd so we can judge you just as harshly. bet that won't happen!

Girl, I swear I was just about to send you a PM about this!
 

TISH1124

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by Nyla2120
Girl, I swear I was just about to send you a PM about this!

Girl you know flat out rude and being mean bugs me to the core...CC is one thing but to be ugly for no reason...Why???
 

ForeverKrystal

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by MACLovin
Wow.. so much hate just emanating from this post. Could you possibly be um, JEALOUS? Seriously, like Tish said..why don't you post your FOTD and lets see how your skills match up. I can't stand people who just hide behind their computers and give non-constructive criticism and think they're the shit.

And BTW.. you should read up on the proper usage of you're and your so you don't come across as rude AND uneducated.
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ITA!

OP...You look stunning!...You're have such a beautiful face!
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In regards to Amity:

What you fail to realize is that not everyone is going for a "natural" look...Some people like to use their makeup as form of self expression and not as a way to blend in with the crowd! Otherwise there would be no need to vivid colors such as yellows, blues, greens, etc. in cosmetics.

Your comment was ignorant & rude. Please sit down somewhere.
 

amity

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

You have gotten a lot of comments on this FOTD, and every single comment was positive. If everyone else can state their opinion, why can't I? Just because my opinion isn't an opinion that you like doesn't make it rude. Maybe if I flat out called you ugly, which I did not, then I could see why any of you people here would have a reason to try to bring me down.

You know what, it is as fair for you to like bold makeup as it is for me to NOT like it. It doesn't make me rude. It makes me... me. Not everyone on this forum is going to love what you do. That is how life is. Get use to it.

I am not the insecure one. Seems to me that YOU are the insecure one because you really seem to take to heart things people say. You get hundreds of positive comments but when that ONE person says they don't like it, you make a big deal about it + brag about it on the internet for attention.

I am not the insecure one. And for me to talk the talk and not walk the walk? When did I ever say I was a professional makeup artist? When did I say that I could do much better than her? I didn't. I said that I thought she was wearing too much. And that was my opinion.

Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder and that applies for EVERYONE. You may think its nice, but I don't. Its not the end of the world, and it sure as Hell does not make me rude for stating that!
 

ForeverKrystal

Active member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

Amity...Point taken.

There is nothing wrong with stating your opinions/preferences as this is a public forum however the tone of your original post was rude.

Plain & Simple.

There are two ways to give criticism:
Constructive & Nonconstructive
...and I believe your original post was the latter of the two.
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I think most people are of the mind set...that if they don't like a FOTD or EOTD they simply don't comment & keep it moving...and if someone chooses to comment in a positive way it does not make them a suck up or a butt kisser.
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User67

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by amity
You have gotten a lot of comments on this FOTD, and every single comment was positive. If everyone else can state their opinion, why can't I? Just because my opinion isn't an opinion that you like doesn't make it rude. Maybe if I flat out called you ugly, which I did not, then I could see why any of you people here would have a reason to try to bring me down.

You know what, it is as fair for you to like bold makeup as it is for me to NOT like it. It doesn't make me rude. It makes me... me. Not everyone on this forum is going to love what you do. That is how life is. Get use to it.

I am not the insecure one. Seems to me that YOU are the insecure one because you really seem to take to heart things people say. You get hundreds of positive comments but when that ONE person says they don't like it, you make a big deal about it + brag about it on the internet for attention.

I am not the insecure one. And for me to talk the talk and not walk the walk? When did I ever say I was a professional makeup artist? When did I say that I could do much better than her? I didn't. I said that I thought she was wearing too much. And that was my opinion.

Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder and that applies for EVERYONE. You may think its nice, but I don't. Its not the end of the world, and it sure as Hell does not make me rude for stating that!


There is a line between constructive criticism & being flat out rude. YOU were flat out rude. If you say that you think "It's too much make-up & I could tone it down" that is constructive criticism, when you say it just "Over all looks bad." that is being rude. I'm sorry if you don't know the difference between the two. And you weren't just rude to me, you were rude to everyone on this forum by calling them kiss ups. You were not just having an opinion, you were being mean & insulting. Everyone on this forum isn't going to love what I do, everyone I see on the street isn't going to love what I do. But, if they are flat out rude to me about it, I am going to call them out on it. You really need to learn some manners.
 

TISH1124

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by amity
You have gotten a lot of comments on this FOTD, and every single comment was positive. If everyone else can state their opinion, why can't I? Just because my opinion isn't an opinion that you like doesn't make it rude. Maybe if I flat out called you ugly, which I did not, then I could see why any of you people here would have a reason to try to bring me down.

You know what, it is as fair for you to like bold makeup as it is for me to NOT like it. It doesn't make me rude. It makes me... me. Not everyone on this forum is going to love what you do. That is how life is. Get use to it.

I am not the insecure one. Seems to me that YOU are the insecure one because you really seem to take to heart things people say. You get hundreds of positive comments but when that ONE person says they don't like it, you make a big deal about it + brag about it on the internet for attention.

I am not the insecure one. And for me to talk the talk and not walk the walk? When did I ever say I was a professional makeup artist? When did I say that I could do much better than her? I didn't. I said that I thought she was wearing too much. And that was my opinion.

Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder and that applies for EVERYONE. You may think its nice, but I don't. Its not the end of the world, and it sure as Hell does not make me rude for stating that!


You have already made your opinion known on Nyla's fotd....and 99.9% of us feel differently..I think you need to move pass this...because no one really cares what you think at this point. You don't like it...we all do....The others that didn't...did not comment...maybe you should follow their lead....As been said...PLEASE post your fotd so we can see how makeup should be applied....Maybe you can show us how to perfectly apply makeup...Until then....Keep it moving!!!
To keep making negative comments is RUDE!! You don't like it...we get it....So what....Go view fotd's that are better to your liking and comment on those...Stick a fork in this one...it's DONE!
 

User67

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by TISH1127
You have already made your opinion known on Nyla's fotd....and 99.9% of us feel differently..I think you need to move pass this...because no one really cares what you think at this point. You don't like it...we all do....The others that didn't...did not comment...maybe you should follow their lead....As been said...PLEASE post your fotd so we can see how makeup should be applied....Maybe you can show us how to perfectly apply makeup...Until then....Keep it moving!!!
To keep making negative comments is RUDE!! You don't like it...we get it....So what....Go view fotd's that are better to your liking and comment on those...Stick a fork in this one...it's DONE!


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TamEva Le Fay

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by amity;
my name is kori. im female, canadian. i've been lurking for a while, enjoying the artistic makeup that a lot of you guys can do. its very inspiring. so i tohught id join, get some extra help to improve my own.
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haha didnt mean to blable.
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You'll pardon me while I've taken the liberty to point out and enbolden the irony and hypocrisy in your very, very first post on this forum, and hold it up against your very latest.

You remember, I know that it's been a while!

You know the one where you hoped people might embrace you and welcome you to the forum even though they had no idea who you were!? The one where it now appears you, actually, pretended to be the likable sort who'd really appreciated the artistic side to the Art of Makeup?

It was rather an unconditional feeling wasn't it! To be welcomed by perfect strangers?

To be rubbing elbows in the figurative sense, of course, with the a wide range of up and coming Makeup Artist just starting out to very well established professional Artists in the field of Arts and Entertainment, and Fashion who make our visual experience more worthwhile every time we pay to see a movie, open a fashion magazine, or watch TV. Who take the time to share their knowledge and expertise here on this forum with us all.

2 1/2 years is a long time, and to have posted 7 posts since then. And of those "7" generous posts in all of the 2 1/2 years that you've been a part of this "Makeup" community you decided to focus all of your thoughtless, useless, negative energy into a spitball of a response toward a thread that really...didn't need it.

I suppose it's merely not enough for you to be reminded that there, actually, is a whole upper echelon of High Fashion Couture Makeup that isn't, even, about being creative or artistic. It's about being productive in their field of work, it's their lifeblood...they live, eat, breath, walk, talk High Fashion Couture Clothing and Makeup.

It delights me to know that there are absolute outsiders to this world of which I speak. Mere mortal civilians have only a brief encounter with this world when they patronize a MAC store for instance. You're privy to it for only so long as you are there to enjoy what has been imparted to them from the top of their field in High Fashion with the skills they've worked hard to hone.

I'm sorry that you and the woman, who was just as uncouth as you were in the nature of how you expressed your opionions on this issue, haven't the imagination to understand this world. But I am relieved that there are people like you who simply don't have the stomach for it!

Wouldn't your certain abilities to win and influence friends better be served in other threads like say: "My Pet Peaves", or maybe..."I Hate It When...", or even starting your very own thread that'll garnish you much praise and accolades on your individual freedom of expression, entitled:
"I Enjoy Pissing On The Dreams of Others, As It Gives Me Such Satisfaction To Do So, And Because I Do So...I...Am Me!"

That always - goes over BIG!

Common sense and decency always, always, always...trumps freedom to express an opinion!

As sorry as I am that you decided to advertise to the vast majority of the Specktra community at large in one of your "seven" posts that you were, in fact, raised by wolves; I for one am thrilled that you decided to do so!

As you are right, we all need to be reminded that it isn't enough that we are confronted daily by difference of opionion by people we know. We, also, have to assaulted with it by people we don't know! Because life isn't fair...and that's just the way it is!

I have a grim feeling that you'll never know what it means to be a positive, constructive, uplifting, and inspirational being in this world because you've simply refuse to believe that other people have feelings.

I read these 2 posts of yours...and I think to myself...yes very secure. Very secure in her natural sociopathic response.

That behavior is clearly defined in your further dispute and defense. It's futile to tell a sociopath that you hope they're never in a situation where they may need positive reenforcement and acknowledgement from other human beings of their peers.
As they simply haven't the feelings of compassion within them to pull off such empathy and be believable...or even passable...one wonders how they even get through the day.

In the future - I wouldn't try to defend your narcissism with such gusto...it's rather unbecoming - to say nothing of the fact that it is a dead giveaway.

I don't need see a FOTD to see you for what you are. It's clear that any photo of you are no match against your very detailed opinion and your need to express it here in this thread.

God forbid you may, genuinely, need a kind word or phrase from another feeling human being to get you through to other side of a day...you may be soarly disappointed in how silent the room gets.

If there is one thing that you may come away with from this community is that there are other people in this world besides yourself...that's just how life is...Get use to it!
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I have, also, taken the liberty to quote your other posts for you to read, just in case you failed to read them back to yourself after you wrote them.

I don't imagine that this was how you wanted people here to respond or express themselves to you when you decided to join Specktra!




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Originally Posted by amity
You have gotten a lot of comments on this FOTD, and every single comment was positive. If everyone else can state their opinion, why can't I? Just because my opinion isn't an opinion that you like doesn't make it rude. Maybe if I flat out called you ugly, which I did not, then I could see why any of you people here would have a reason to try to bring me down.

You know what, it is as fair for you to like bold makeup as it is for me to NOT like it. It doesn't make me rude. It makes me... me. Not everyone on this forum is going to love what you do. That is how life is. Get use to it.

I am not the insecure one. Seems to me that YOU are the insecure one because you really seem to take to heart things people say. You get hundreds of positive comments but when that ONE person says they don't like it, you make a big deal about it + brag about it on the internet for attention.

I am not the insecure one. And for me to talk the talk and not walk the walk? When did I ever say I was a professional makeup artist? When did I say that I could do much better than her? I didn't. I said that I thought she was wearing too much. And that was my opinion.

Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder and that applies for EVERYONE. You may think its nice, but I don't. Its not the end of the world, and it sure as Hell does not make me rude for stating that!

 

TISH1124

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

^^^^ Tam Eva.....Is My hero!!! That pretty much sums it up.....We Thank you!!!
 

metal_romantic

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Member FOTD's ... Non-constructive criticism is not tolerated by staff.

Lol.

I think the majority of us would be proud to look like "clowns". From now on, if anyone ever calls me a clown, I will smile, clap my hands, do a little bounce and say "awwww, really!? Thanks! You're so sweet!"
I'm really looking forward to upcoming FOTD's on werewolves, vampires, and various circus performers.
I for one would love to post a Zombie FOTD. I actually might do that, once I buy some white pancake makeup... I'm learning special FX makeup. Hehe.
 

rbella

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by TamEva Le Fay
I read these 2 posts of yours...and I think to myself...yes very secure. Very secure in her natural sociopathic response.

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By far, the funniest response ever. God, I love you!
 

User67

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by rbella
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By far, the funniest response ever. God, I love you!


I always wanted to ask you, where is that picture in your aviator from?
 

rbella

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Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

It's a scene from the movie "Office Space". Gotta see it!! Best movie ever!!
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Kels823

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

Question (and maybe I'm in the wrong forum but since it was addressed in this thread) -

Why is it okay for people to comment about what they like but not about what they don't like? I can understand being upset if it's done in a rude way. But if I were to say, 'I don't necessarily like the overall look, but your technique is great', should I keep that to myself?

I guess I don't see why everyone either has to agree or not post at all.
 

User67

Well-known member
Re: Apparently I look like a clown FOTD

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Originally Posted by Kels823
Question (and maybe I'm in the wrong forum but since it was addressed in this thread) -

Why is it okay for people to comment about what they like but not about what they don't like? I can understand being upset if it's done in a rude way. But if I were to say, 'I don't necessarily like the overall look, but your technique is great', should I keep that to myself?

I guess I don't see why everyone either has to agree or not post at all.


It's totally okay for people to comment on what they don't like, as long is it's done in a nice & not insulting way. It's called constructive criticism.
 
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