love bud is a lustre if i'm not mistaken so it will naturally have little pay off, at least mine did, i went through two of those bad boys! not sure about the other. although if they're a bit chalky that's a little weird...i guess you can't really trust anything except straight from mac, huh? i've been learning that recently. : ( but then again, love bud was LE so i would find it surprising if they were making fakes of it but who knows!