32% Fee Increase Reactions

blazeno.8

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Demonstrators took over a building on campus today. There are protests happening and fire alarms are being pulled to disrupt class. I dont' know if anyone else is in the UC school system, but if you are, can you give us updates about what's happening on other campuses?

I heard that protesters at UC Santa Cruz took over a building and have created a list of demands that they want met. The regents were held inside of a building at UCLA because protesters blocked the access points until police broke them up.
 

gildedangel

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Wow; I hadn't heard about any of this! I don't live in CA, but I live and go to university in a neighboring state. What fees were increased, tuition?
 

Janice

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I have been waiting to hear from my friend all day. I've been so sick over what is going on with the UC system. The fee increase is preposterous, and they are cutting the staffing back so much. Just a sad sad state of affairs.
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xxManBeaterxx

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Something similar is happening at my state university too. Hundreds of professors, faculty, and staff were laid off, myself included. Tuition is rising something like 20% over 5 years because of a 1 month strike at the university. Some of the freshman have to wait 1-2 semesters before they can attend since the university cannot accommodate all the incoming students due to lack of class @ the level 100 freshman prerequisite courses
 

blazeno.8

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The SWAT team has been called in, protesters are being arrested, a student was shot in the stomach with a rubber bullet, and professors tried to urge students to come out before nightfall. I'm following on Twitter. #ucstrike
 

blazeno.8

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Originally Posted by gildedangel
Wow; I hadn't heard about any of this! I don't live in CA, but I live and go to university in a neighboring state. What fees were increased, tuition?

Tuition for undergrads is going from around $7,000 to $10,000. The first installment of the 32% increase is next semester so that doesn't even give working students with families time to react.
 

MaskedBeauty

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Wow. Thats crazy. I live in california but I go to a community college so I had no idea that any of these protests were going on. Is this just now happening today??

I think the increase in tuition is just rediculous! we already pay enough as it is for our education. Now a days you have to have a degree just to answer a damn phone! How to they expect people to further their education when they keep raising tuition costs!?
 

blazeno.8

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Originally Posted by MaskedBeauty
Wow. Thats crazy. I live in california but I go to a community college so I had no idea that any of these protests were going on. Is this just now happening today??

I think the increase in tuition is just rediculous! we already pay enough as it is for our education. Now a days you have to have a degree just to answer a damn phone! How to they expect people to further their education when they keep raising tuition costs!?


A friend of mine from abroad is going to CC just avoid the UC system tuition costs. This is happening today, the people who took over the building at Cal were just released with misdemeanor charges, but it seems like students are trying to take over two of the libraries that are connected by an underground tunnel. I haven't heard much about the situation at Davis, but I hear that they took the main administrative building and broke into the chancellor's office.
 

kimmy

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i don't know why the state is putting their financial burden on kids who are just trying to better themselves. how about address the gross amount of welfare fraud abuse first? bet that'd solve our problem right there.
 

lipglass_junkie

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Originally Posted by blazeno.8
A friend of mine from abroad is going to CC just avoid the UC system tuition costs. This is happening today, the people who took over the building at Cal were just released with misdemeanor charges, but it seems like students are trying to take over two of the libraries that are connected by an underground tunnel. I haven't heard much about the situation at Davis, but I hear that they took the main administrative building and broke into the chancellor's office.

Not sure about breaking into the chancellor's office, but there has been reasonable activity here in Davis, mostly peaceful though. There was one point in which 50+ were arrested for a protest over at Mrak hall, under trespassing charges for staying after normal business hours, I believe charges were not filed though.

The whole situation is really frustrating. Administrators have held several times to "hear out" the students, but it seems they have no intention of listening. They simply point the finger at Sacramento and tell us to be mad at the capital, not them for justifying their pay raises. Couple that with a few people on facebook spreading lies to bolster anger, being on campus is a bummer.
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blazeno.8

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Originally Posted by lipglass_junkie
Not sure about breaking into the chancellor's office, but there has been reasonable activity here in Davis, mostly peaceful though. There was one point in which 50+ were arrested for a protest over at Mrak hall, under trespassing charges for staying after normal business hours, I believe charges were not filed though.

The whole situation is really frustrating. Administrators have held several times to "hear out" the students, but it seems they have no intention of listening. They simply point the finger at Sacramento and tell us to be mad at the capital, not them for justifying their pay raises. Couple that with a few people on facebook spreading lies to bolster anger, being on campus is a bummer.
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Well while they were in the building, information got out that they were in the chancellor's office. This information was not only being spread by opposition, but by supporters also. In the long run though... yes, it is Sacramento's fault. You should be mad at them for not prioritizing education on the whole, not just upper level education but all levels of it. There is no reason why more money should go into prisons rather than into education to prevent people from going to prison in the first place. Sure, the regents and chancellors were not great advocates in that they couldn't convince Sacramento to give more money, which puts them in the hard spot of trying to curb their financial short comings under the restraints imposed by Sacramento. Everyone is going to lie to some extent... Sacramento is going to say "it's not our fault" although it was their short sightedness that lead to a lot of these problems in the first place. The regents are going to say "we had no choice" while not making other sacrifices. On the same note though you have students who will say exaggerate things to make their specific platforms look more desirable.
 

Kragey

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I've seen how this is hurting people. I go to a much smaller uni in Pennsylvania, and our cut was much smaller--half of the students lost their PHEAA grants--but I've already seen a couple of people drop out. Contrary to popular belief, even $500 more a semester is hard for many families to come up with.

I think it makes me even angrier considering PHEAA got in deep crap for padding its pockets with grant money. I wonder, did any of the 6-figure people at PHEAA consider taking a paycut or selling their Porsches before they cut grants? </sarcasm>
 

Nicala

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At this rate, by the time I graduate who knows how screwed the UC system will be. I have CSU Northridge down the street, my mom wants me to go there but I'm iffy about attending a UC/CSU because of the budget cuts and tuition raises. I'd rather go to a private university or go to a university out of state. Sigh.
 

shatteredshards

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Originally Posted by kimmy
how about address the gross amount of welfare fraud abuse first? bet that'd solve our problem right there.

We have people trying to buy lottery tickets with their EBT cards (I wish I was making that up), but let's cut staffing and programs and raise costs at the schools and universities? Good plan there.
 

Kragey

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Originally Posted by shatteredshards
We have people trying to buy lottery tickets with their EBT cards (I wish I was making that up), but let's cut staffing and programs and raise costs at the schools and universities? Good plan there.



Welfare abuse is certainly a problem, but the major issue is within the education system itself. The director of PHEAA was fired not too long ago for stealing grant money.

And honestly, while I dream of becoming a professor, I can't deny that most professors are a bit overpaid. Not only do they get a salary just for being there, but they get a huge bonus per credit hour (and the average class is 3 credit hours, plus our profs usually teach 4 classes a semester), or per head (for online courses). Not to mention that they take advantage of being able to order things through the department and purchase $100 flash drives, expensive cameras for one-time projects, etc...not that they aren't, to an extent, justified, and yes, they have PhDs that they've worked long and hard for and they deserve a decent paycheck, but most professors take it too far. Pay them to be there via salary or credit hour, don't do both, and be more strict about what equipment they can order, especially when you consider the fact that most of what they want can just be borrowed from another department, no muss no fuss! (I work at the educational technology center; I've seen thousands of dollars worth of equipment professors buy for one project and shove in our faces when we usually have even BETTER equipment that we could have leant them for free, plus provided support for that equipment.)

And let's get rid of the really money-suckers, shall we? They're freezing almost every MA program on our campus, which is somewhat understandable, but then they're leaving lights on in certain buildings all night, allowing people to use the campus computers for social networking and video gaming and porn (no, I'm not joking), and filling the breakrooms with gratis goodies. So instead of turning off the lights in the dining halls and letting the street lamps do their job, restricting computer usage to academic purposes, and just letting the fat and lazy librarians I have to put up with every day bring in their own goddamn lunches and buy their own goddamn chips and tea, you're just going to freeze academic programs and make departments pay for their freaking inter-office envelopes and turn off the heat once a week when it's -10 outside?

Oh, and dear President of the University, who gets free housing, doesn't pay taxes, and has a monster paycheck: why don't YOU take a paycut and stop having fancy luncheons at your house? I work on campus in an office, I see the invitations for your dumbass parties.

Lastly, stop building expensive housing buildings, then accepting too many students for said buildings, forcing them to live 10 to a room in a BASEMENT because you can't freaking count. In fact, stop fancifying buildings all together; I've seen other PA campuses, and it's time we accepted our campus for what it is, which is small, old, and lacking architectural beauty but at the same time being much more "quaint." Why not put a lean on distant education, too, because it's cheaper, instead of whining about how you want to stay the "premier residential university" (which you are not)?

Oh, and the parking passes? Um, how's about you only give out as many passes as there are spaces and charge what most schools do, which is $100 a space, instead of handing them out like candy for a mere $25. More people can take the bus; I do it every day, or I walk, and I am perfectly fine and have never been late to class.

Learn to tighten your own belts, you selfish douchebags, before you suck money up from the students.
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And I KNOW my university isn't the only one doing stupid crap like this. Before we go around sucking money up from other parts of the state system, let's reconsider what we're wasting within the actual higher education system. Because it is A LOT.
 

blazeno.8

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While I'm sorry that you've observed that much excess from professors around you, I have seen something quite different. If we need equipment, we either a) use what we've got, b) use what's in the lab which is used by all students (not just professors for one project), c) apply for a national or private research grant and include that in the cost (if it must be used off site), or d) finance it ourselves. From what I've seen our professors do the same. Many professors and faculty actually are taking pay cuts and this is the second time around that they've been faced with a cut salary. We know that next, there won't be a pay cut, just a job cut.

I do agree that money is unnecessarily burned with electricity and heating, but over all I'm not sure how much it would offset our bigger budget issues if we were to change our habits in respect to that. There are usually lights on in the bathroom when no one's in it, but that's a mixed responsibility of students and professors alike to turn off the lights when no one else is around (only 3 stalls, not such a hard thing to do). The heater shouldn't be blasting at night and I shouldn't have to throw open the windows when I go into a room at 8:45 in the morning.

While it does suck that people use the computers for non-research/academic stuff, many state schools and schools that accept federal funding might be hard pressed to find a way to argue that they can block use of certain websites because of privacy laws and someone will probably try to make an argument for freedom of information or something like that.

And going after the candy dish? I don't know what it's like where you are, but here we all contribute to the goodies that appear in the department mail room. It's not included in our budget. I go out of my way to go to the store and grab a bag of candy with my own money or to make food at home for department lunches just as everybody else does. Sure we do budget for some things like cheese and bread after meetings that occur once every month and a half, but those are not very frequent nor are they full catered meals. In the weekly forums that I go to, someone offers to buy snacks for the group and we all rotate to share the burden of purchasing/supplying snacks and drinks.

Now I definitely agree with you, there are just some people who should take responsibility and do their jobs correctly with a little less hypocrisy, but then again I would take it a little further and say that there are those who shouldn't be employed at the university in the first place. But this isn't for that...
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We are really strapped and even if we did cut some excess, we still would be strapped because of how the state chooses to allocate funds and there would still be a significant burden shifted onto the students.

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Originally Posted by Kragey
Welfare abuse is certainly a problem, but the major issue is within the education system itself. The director of PHEAA was fired not too long ago for stealing grant money.

And honestly, while I dream of becoming a professor, I can't deny that most professors are a bit overpaid. Not only do they get a salary just for being there, but they get a huge bonus per credit hour (and the average class is 3 credit hours, plus our profs usually teach 4 classes a semester), or per head (for online courses). Not to mention that they take advantage of being able to order things through the department and purchase $100 flash drives, expensive cameras for one-time projects, etc...not that they aren't, to an extent, justified, and yes, they have PhDs that they've worked long and hard for and they deserve a decent paycheck, but most professors take it too far. Pay them to be there via salary or credit hour, don't do both, and be more strict about what equipment they can order, especially when you consider the fact that most of what they want can just be borrowed from another department, no muss no fuss! (I work at the educational technology center; I've seen thousands of dollars worth of equipment professors buy for one project and shove in our faces when we usually have even BETTER equipment that we could have leant them for free, plus provided support for that equipment.)

And let's get rid of the really money-suckers, shall we? They're freezing almost every MA program on our campus, which is somewhat understandable, but then they're leaving lights on in certain buildings all night, allowing people to use the campus computers for social networking and video gaming and porn (no, I'm not joking), and filling the breakrooms with gratis goodies. So instead of turning off the lights in the dining halls and letting the street lamps do their job, restricting computer usage to academic purposes, and just letting the fat and lazy librarians I have to put up with every day bring in their own goddamn lunches and buy their own goddamn chips and tea, you're just going to freeze academic programs and make departments pay for their freaking inter-office envelopes and turn off the heat once a week when it's -10 outside?

Oh, and dear President of the University, who gets free housing, doesn't pay taxes, and has a monster paycheck: why don't YOU take a paycut and stop having fancy luncheons at your house? I work on campus in an office, I see the invitations for your dumbass parties.

Lastly, stop building expensive housing buildings, then accepting too many students for said buildings, forcing them to live 10 to a room in a BASEMENT because you can't freaking count. In fact, stop fancifying buildings all together; I've seen other PA campuses, and it's time we accepted our campus for what it is, which is small, old, and lacking architectural beauty but at the same time being much more "quaint." Why not put a lean on distant education, too, because it's cheaper, instead of whining about how you want to stay the "premier residential university" (which you are not)?

Oh, and the parking passes? Um, how's about you only give out as many passes as there are spaces and charge what most schools do, which is $100 a space, instead of handing them out like candy for a mere $25. More people can take the bus; I do it every day, or I walk, and I am perfectly fine and have never been late to class.

Learn to tighten your own belts, you selfish douchebags, before you suck money up from the students.
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And I KNOW my university isn't the only one doing stupid crap like this. Before we go around sucking money up from other parts of the state system, let's reconsider what we're wasting within the actual higher education system. Because it is A LOT.

 

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