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Trunkmonkey

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Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from it's death throes? He has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

Lee Iacocca Says:



'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after
a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course'

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

The Biggest 'C' is Crisis !

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess


So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while
our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas
prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people
of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be
a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the
hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm.

Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again.
Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the
debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give m e a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough?

Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope I believe in America . In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's
greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the 'Great
Depression', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the 'Kennedy Assassination',
the 'Vietnam War', the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years
culminating with 9/11.

If I've learned one thing, it's this: 'You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to 'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America . It's not too
late, but it's getting pretty close. So le t's shake off the crap and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.'

Excerpted from 'Where Have All the Leaders Gone?'.

Copyright (c) 2007 by Lee Iacocca. All rights reserved


Let's discuss this. I'd like to keep it civil and non personal if possible but is this really where the US is at? My opinion is that it is. People from other countries feel free to chime in with your thoughts or opinions but let's try to keep this thread drama and insult free.
 

Divinity

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I agree with Lee. I believe this is the state of our country and it's unfortunate that people are not making a bigger deal of the situation. We're more than happy to make fun of the president and all of his fuck ups and even inspired to watch Gore's documentary on global warming to learn about a crisis at hand. But it seems like we don't know what to do with that information. Or we are just thinking that 'this is how presidents are' and 'it can't get that bad.' Just my perception, but I don't think we are taking the crisis at hand seriously.
 

Trunkmonkey

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I suggest everybody actually sit down and read the Constitution.
http://www.archives.gov/national-archiv … ution.html

Then take a look around at how the intent of it is being slowly but surely stripped away from us. I like Ron Paul and think he has a good message but I sincerely doubt that he has an ice cubes chance in hell.

Look into 'implied consent' laws in your state. Anybody that has any internet savvy knows that any ip address can be tracked and your computer is most likely open to any government agency that wants to take a peek.

I don't want to have another 9/11 on our soil but be damned if I want to give up my rights to make it happen.

We need to start expecting our elected representatives to do OUR will not enforce theirs on US. They work for us not the reverse.

What's funny to me is most people get elected by saying 'elect me and I'll make sure that more tax dollars come to our district'. I can translate that by saying 'elect me and I'll stick it to those people in South Dakota'. Bulls##t. We're supposed to give the government enough money to do what they are supposed to do as outlined in the aforementioned Constitution. Nothing more and nothing less. And yet we continually elect people to represent us that we wouldn't let babysit our children because there are no viable candidates on the ballot.

It's a hell of a mess and I have no idea how to fix it.
 

athena123

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Well said Trunk Monkey! Ron Paul is also my guy even though he doesn't stand a chance of winning because he respects our constitution as it was written. Government is supposed to protect the individual from OTHER individuals as well as an intrusive government. We've strayed a looong way from the constitution and republicans who CLAIM they're the party of small government are just lying. Gov't grew bigger under Bush, spending was greater under Bush and the patriot act is stripping away more of our personal freedoms in the name of safety.

WAKEUP AMERICA, is this what you really want?
 

Shimmer

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Some believe the government is responsible for the care of its citizens, through welfare, housing, education, etc. programs. I'm not 100% sure I agree with that, because it seems to create a vicious cycle of dependency. I see that cycle only being perpetuated in the future.
 

SparklingWaves

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I like Ron Paul too. I was talking to a relative about him. They said, "I thought he was a nut case." They didn't know anything about him. I told them that is what the media is casting him as, but if you get into the meat of what he represents- he makes a lot a common sense.

He is against that freaking Real ID. I wish there was a scream button. I can't stand that freaking thing.
 

athena123

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shimmer
Some believe the government is responsible for the care of its citizens, through welfare, housing, education, etc. programs. I'm not 100% sure I agree with that, because it seems to create a vicious cycle of dependency. I see that cycle only being perpetuated in the future.

yeah and those people are just wrong. Only socialists think big daddy gov't is responsible for providing us with our needs. Unfortunately this cycle has become entrenched to the point that people feel "entitled" to handouts and it does perpetuate a cycle of dependency. For those socialists, I'd like to see the line in the constitution that guarantees food, shelter, car, etc. for America's citizens. The founding fathers were wise enough to guarantee the right to life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness, knowing that happiness cannot be guaranteed.
 

athena123

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
I like Ron Paul too. I was talking to a relative about him. They said, "I thought he was a nut case." They didn't know anything about him. I told them that is what the media is casting him as, but if you get into the meat of what he represents- he makes a lot a common sense.

He is against that freaking Real ID. I wish there was a scream button. I can't stand that freaking thing.


Yes, and isn't it interesting how so few of the conservative talk shows give him any air time? True conservatives [conservative defined as CONSERVING our constitution] should be 100% behind him, but instead they're throwing their weight towards the right wing reagan type conservatives like Huckabee who doesn't seem to appreciate the concept of religious freedom and SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. I mean, the right wingers only believe in religious freedom as long as you worship THEIR way. Ironic...
 

Trunkmonkey

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Actually Coast to Coast AM is supposed to have Ron Paul on soon. They haven't said exactly when so, when they let us know, I'll post the date.
 

athena123

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trunkmonkey
Actually Coast to Coast AM is supposed to have Ron Paul on soon. They haven't said exactly when so, when they let us know, I'll post the date.

Ooh, that may hurt more than help and give more fuel to the idea that Ron Paul's a nutjob to just dismiss. Coast to Coast AM features guests who believe in conspiracy theories, the Mayan Calendar prediction that the world will end in 2012, psychic healing, alien abductions and other nutter kind of theories. With all that said, I find it a very interesting show and I like to listen to it but many ideas presented aren't that credible.
 

Trunkmonkey

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I listen to the podcasts at work. Most of the shows I can dismiss but some of them are compelling.

True the show is seen as fanciful however they are the #1 rated night time talk show in the country with millions of listeners. Doesn't matter if that listener thinks his cousin married bigfoot and had an alien baby. It only matters if he or she votes.

I do have to admit some of the callers I can literally picture huddled in the corner of their basement literally covered in tin foil
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Professor Fate

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People need to quit depending on BIG GOVERNMENT to wipe their asses for them and make it on their own. If we keep going down this path; our guns, free speech, individuality and freedom are going to disappear..........America the dictatorship here we come.

Illegals = GONE
Fairtax = FTW!
 

Trunkmonkey

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I'm going to go off on a rant here so get some popcorn.

Okay first of all I'll say that I've been a Republican all of my voting life BUT I am very concerned about the fact that our civil liberties are slowly being eroded in the interests of keeping us 'safe'.

I'm quite sure a some or perhaps many potential attacks have been stopped by our intelligence agencies or military personnel. I'm also convinced, and I'll state that this is opinion, that additional large scale attacks on our country would be counterproductive to what the terrorists want and they know that. If the citizenry, as a whole, garnered up the anger that we had post 9/11 because of some type of attack we would demand that the perpetrators be hunted down and nuked back to the stone age.

All of that said I'm not talking conservative or liberal here. I'm talking about the wee little riders on laws that slowly erode our ability to police ourselves. Do you want to be required to carry a national ID card with an RFID chip in it just so you can fly? There was a recent attempt to pass a law prohibiting spanking your child. I could go on but I hope you see my point.

I hope that people will start thinking about the people we elect to govern and, as I've stated previously, remember to remind them that they work for US. They're not royalty and we're not peasants. And if they don't do the job for US then vote someone else in when their term is up.

I'm tired of professional politicians that know how to 'work the system' and 'spin control'. Give me a good, honest, person, that wants to do the right thing and politics be damned. And you know what? I don't give a shit if that person snorted coke when he was 20. So did I. I grew up and quit acting like an idiot. All of this digging skeletons out of peoples closets is just annoying in my opinion.

Face it. 45% of the people that vote will vote a straight Democratic or Republican ticket if Hitler and Mussolini were on the ballot. The other 10% are the ones that actually decide who sits in any office.

It's time for that kind of crap to stop and for people to start voting for good viable candidates instead of stage actors.
 

Shimmer

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THE P-WORD
By Jes Alexander
© 2007 Jes Alexander

I really don't like to talk politics very much. Political conversations often end badly because people take partisan views and stick with them no matter what (the other reason political discussions end badly is because our society has lost the art of dialogue - just because people don't agree on a topic does not mean they are arguing. At least it shouldn't. I don't have to agree with your perspective to respect your right to have it .. but the lost art of discussion is for another time). I don't want to enflame any partisan discussions here, in fact, I think the whole partisan thing is out of hand on both sides of the aisle, but what I am trying to say has nothing to do with partisan politics whatsoever. Still, I am not sure that most people have a clear understanding of how this whole political thing works, so I hope to enlighten, a little:

The founding fathers would be appalled at the state of US politics today. Why? because holding public office was never intended to be a career. You were called by your peers, you served, and when your term(s) was done you returned to your farm, your law practice, or your general store. That doesn't happen, anymore. What we have now is, quite ironically, a House of Lords. Sure, there is a greater opportunity here than un the UK for anyone to be "elected" into our House of Lords, but once you're in the club, the goal is to stay there. It was never supposed to be that way. There was never supposed to be such a thing as a, "career politician." Even Thomas Jefferson begrudgingly accepted national office when elected or appointed time and time again, but he really wanted to be home at Monticello, running the farm. In-part because he was never home to tend to the management of his land, Jefferson died in debt.

Speaking of debt, this is something today's politicians know nothing about. Think about it a minute. If Hillary Clinton were to raise $200 Million in campaign contributions for her run for the White House, and she spends $150 Million on her actual campaign, guess where the remaining $50 Million goes? Uh-huh, in the Clintons' bank account .. win or lose. How often do you hear a candidate say, "I've raised $200 Million for my campaign, but I think I can cover the essentials for just $20 Million. Therefore, if I am elected I will use the remaining $180 Million to build schools, create feeding programs for the needy, or help reduce the National debt." What's that you say? Never? We give our candidates license to take taxpayer dollars and put them in their own pockets.

Take it a step further - Why should Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or John McCain be out there campaigning at all? They are, after all, each on the Federal payroll. Would you get paid if you told your boss, "I'm not coming in this month, because I am applying for another job."??? Does this make sense? I say this to all the presidential candidates who currently hold public office: If you feel that strongly that you are the best person to serve as the next President of the United States, remove yourself from the Federal, State, or local payroll you are on to concentrate on your platform. You are not being fair to the constituents who elected you into office by not being there to serve their needs because you are serving your own. Step down. You won't need the salary anyway - you're still going to end up with $50 Million in your pocket. Right?

So, are Joe and Jane Citizen the sole contributors to these political campaign funds? Of course not. An alarming amount of that money comes from large corporations. Let me give you an example of what's going on here - Some bazillion dollar pharmaceutical company gives $25 Million to a candidate's campaign. Why? You know the answer, but hold that thought. The same pharmaceutical company runs ads for prescription erectile dysfunction medications and birth control pills on partisan-focused 24 hour cable news network A or B, which is owned by a large corporation, itself. Why are the pharmaceutical companies advertising prescription pills to a public who can't get them without a doctor's approval? Because while the pharmaceutical companies are counting on the fact that if you can't get your doctor to give you a prescription for Viagra, you'll buy it from Mexico or somewhere on the Internet - and the pharmaceutical company will still profit. Oh, sure they say they are against overseas drug purchases, but are they really? Are they lobbying at the congressional level to enforce the illegal importation of prescription drugs? Of course not, because THEY are still selling pills. Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical company now owns a piece of their candidate of choice, and if that person gets elected you better believe that the drug company lobbyists will be asking for concessions, tax exemptions, and the like. [and I apologize for picking on the pharmaceutical companies - they're just an easy target - besides, VIAGRA is funny!]

But, here's where it gets really interesting, especially for a "green" candidate. With non-stop coverage of the upcoming presidential election almost guaranteed on CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, and other cable media outlets, is there really a need for candidates to spend millions of dollars on campaign ads? Is there anyone in the country who does not know what Hillary Clinton and John McCain and Rudolph Giuliani look like already, who will care on election day? With all this free face-time provided by the cable news industry, is there a need to see John Edwards hugging his family during a commercial break between McDreamy and McSteamy on the regular networks? Not really. So, too (and this is where the "green" thing comes in), with the advent of the visual media, the Internet, cable programming, and podcasting, is there really still any need for each candidate to spend millions on campaign posters that will only end up in another over-filled landfill? There's your platform, Al Gore - a recyclable-free campaign. And win-win, the less you spend on cardboard posters, the more you can add to that $50 Million you are going to pocket. Right?
 

Professor Fate

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Remember the days when politicians had to worry about passionate americans rioting, picketing, and even shooting at them if they fucked up?

The government as a whole has simply quieted our fight and now run the show with very little resistance. Americans won't get passionate like that again until the economy really does go down the shitter and we really are fighting to keep a roof over our heads. We have been too comfortable with a good economy which acts as a pacifier.

I am so sick of both parties right now and the hypocrisy, that I am ready to start planning ahead to leave the country....maybe Sweden or something. It makes me sick that nobody is a straight shooter that will just do what's best for the country and it's people and not worry about the votes or popularity.

"People shouldn't be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of it's people"
 

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