Well what do you know? I went to mac today, just so that i could try this. I was ready to be disappointed and, when I tried the lipstick and gloss on my hand, it was pretty much what I was expected, kind of blah brown that looked a bit like heavy concealer. I figured I'd nothing to lose, so I tried it on my lips. Once applied, it actually turned just slightly peachy and it looked really nice. I think I prefer it to CDN, which always requires a bit of work on my part. The Great Enabler didn't like the swatch on my hand either, but once it was on, was really surprised at how much he liked it. I'm noticing that a lot of people see a big difference between a swatch on the hand and trying it on their lips, so I think that this is one colour that varies a lot from person to person. I tried it with the gloss and thought it looked nice, but I also thought that I couldn't picture doing anything with that gloss except wearing it over the lipstick, so I passed on that. (I picked up another MegaMetal shadow instead, despite the fact that I swore I wasn't going to get anything else from Peacocky.) I'm really shocked. I thought this one would be an easy pass, or at best, something I had to justify to myself on the grounds that I could make it work with other products (I rarely buy anything I don't love in a swatch). Instead, as soon as I had it on, I knew I had to have it. Go figure. I'll try to do some kind of swatch on my lips, but at the moment, I have to say that pale ladies need not be afraid to try this one out.