So, I just played around with the gloss and lipstick some more. First, I tried it with Nightmoth and I was pleasantly surprised. I filled almost the whole lip in with the liner and then applied the lipstick, followed by the gloss. It gave me a nice plummy, pink color. Definitely wearable. I can't think of a color I can compare it to. Maybe a mix of Up the Amp and Laugh A Lot? Not sure. Then I tried it with Auburn. It turned into a muted coral. Completely changed the color of the lipstick and gloss, but it was amazingly wearable. Neither look was a disaster, but I prefer it with Cork liner. I'm all about keeping colors true to what they really are and that's the best way to do so with this gloss and lipstick. I need to buy another lipstick b/c I just wrecked this one trying it right out of the tube on all these liners. This will be my number one nude for awhile. So, bye bye Siss and Honolulu Honey(Nars).