MAC and Gareth Pugh Discussion

liba

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I am kind of thinking this way too. Not sure if I am just burned out or I have hoarded so much I really don't see too many unique colors and such. The product is generally good, esp. MSF, e/s and piggies and some of the l/s are pretty unique. In general the products are improving but they could do more with the foundations and blush.
I had really flawless results with my Matchmaster foundation sample (and I've always had mixed feelings about liquid foundation) - I think I may buy a bottle to go with the Gareth Pugh things I'm going to get - the sort of very formal, porcelain bisque finish it has will look great with them. Also, the cream Mineralize foundation actually got me back into wearing foundation after years of always hating everything I'd try. I think MAC's stepping it up in the foundation department for sure.....although maybe I'm biased because I'm a perfect match with NC15 and 1.5 in Matchmaster.
 

aradhana

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I had really flawless results with my Matchmaster foundation sample (and I've always had mixed feelings about liquid foundation) - I think I may buy a bottle to go with the Gareth Pugh things I'm going to get - the sort of very formal, porcelain bisque finish it has will look great with them. Also, the cream Mineralize foundation actually got me back into wearing foundation after years of always hating everything I'd try. I think MAC's stepping it up in the foundation department for sure.....although maybe I'm biased because I'm a perfect match with NC15 and 1.5 in Matchmaster.

I was going to say something similar about the matchmaster foundation...i had sampled it a couple of weeks ago when the mua, and had intended to pick up a bottle this weekend...i found the finish was flawless and a surprisingly good colour match!

what products are you planning to get from GP?
 

Allura Beauty

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That's funny--I was just thinking about my Matchmaster foundation the other day. I really think it is the best foundation I've tried from MAC. It's lightweight, has SPF, and looks very natural.
 

ansimi

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I checked out the collection Thursday. I didn't buy anything but I might pick up something just to collect. I really like the collection creatively and the packaging but none of the products wowed me and some of the (Canadian) prices are above most brands that I would consider "couture".

I tried on all the polishes because I just love the bottle. I don't think there are any polishes this expensive in Canada but the bottle is really pretty! The formula is nice on all of them. Easy application and I'm still wearing my testers. I did 2 coats with no base or top coats and I've washed my hair once and my hands several times and they still look pretty good.

I had been most interested in the lip products and the Canadian prices aren't too bad but none of them really impressed me. I really like the packaging on the lipsticks - feels substantial and special in the hand. They didn't apply well though. I tried the dark one with a brush and the colour is dupable in formulations I like much better. I wore the lighter one out of the store. I definitely don't have anything like that and it wore OK so that's a maybe for me if I don't get a polish. The glosses were OK but I have very close colours in formulas I like and I didn't love the packaging.

The beauty powder looked horrible on me and it would have to look fantastic for me to pay that much. I was shocked at the tiny size of Strada for that crazy price. I've used up a whole pro-pan of Strada and am well into my second. This is the same colour but feels softer which is a good think in a blush but not necessarily a good thing for a contour powder. It's so tiny though! It's smaller than a lot of face brushes. I imagine a lot of people who order that one online will be horrified.

The packaging on the pigments was so bad that I didn't test them. They were already a mess. They didn't have the eye shadows.

The brush is gorgeous. I do think it's better quality than the normal 182 and the price difference isn't that bad. If I didn't have a 182 and some even more luxurious kabukis then I'd buy it. I recommend it if you like the design and are in the market for a great kabuki.

Honestly, my favourite thing about this collection is the video...
 

Mac-Guy

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I am kind of thinking this way too. Not sure if I am just burned out or I have hoarded so much I really don't see too many unique colors and such. The product is generally good, esp. MSF, e/s and piggies and some of the l/s are pretty unique. In general the products are improving but they could do more with the foundations and blush.
 

LMD84

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it looks like there is a nice kabuki brush collection on the nars website...but don't ask me what it costs, because i was too scared to look! :)
oh i've already checked that baby out and it's going on my xmas list because i can't afford it :)
 

liba

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I was going to say something similar about the matchmaster foundation...i had sampled it a couple of weeks ago when the mua, and had intended to pick up a bottle this weekend...i found the finish was flawless and a surprisingly good colour match!

what products are you planning to get from GP?
I'm going to go take a look tomorrow (I could NOT deal with being in a shopping zone on Black Friday).

I'll most likely get one or both of the lipsticks, the darker gloss and Hyper n/p. I'm hoping they have the shadows, because I'm curious to see the purple one. Don't really need the BP, but if I adore the packaging I might consider it.
 

Mac-Guy

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I'm going to go take a look tomorrow (I could NOT deal with being in a shopping zone on Black Friday).
I'll most likely get one or both of the lipsticks, the darker gloss and Hyper n/p. I'm hoping they have the shadows, because I'm curious to see the purple one. Don't really need the BP, but if I adore the packaging I might consider it.

Liba = Flight lashes = Awesomeness?
 

Allura Beauty

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I checked out the collection Thursday. I didn't buy anything but I might pick up something just to collect. I really like the collection creatively and the packaging but none of the products wowed me and some of the (Canadian) prices are above most brands that I would consider "couture".

I tried on all the polishes because I just love the bottle. I don't think there are any polishes this expensive in Canada but the bottle is really pretty! The formula is nice on all of them. Easy application and I'm still wearing my testers. I did 2 coats with no base or top coats and I've washed my hair once and my hands several times and they still look pretty good.

I had been most interested in the lip products and the Canadian prices aren't too bad but none of them really impressed me. I really like the packaging on the lipsticks - feels substantial and special in the hand. They didn't apply well though. I tried the dark one with a brush and the colour is dupable in formulations I like much better. I wore the lighter one out of the store. I definitely don't have anything like that and it wore OK so that's a maybe for me if I don't get a polish. The glosses were OK but I have very close colours in formulas I like and I didn't love the packaging.

The beauty powder looked horrible on me and it would have to look fantastic for me to pay that much. I was shocked at the tiny size of Strada for that crazy price. I've used up a whole pro-pan of Strada and am well into my second. This is the same colour but feels softer which is a good think in a blush but not necessarily a good thing for a contour powder. It's so tiny though! It's smaller than a lot of face brushes. I imagine a lot of people who order that one online will be horrified.

The packaging on the pigments was so bad that I didn't test them. They were already a mess. They didn't have the eye shadows.

The brush is gorgeous. I do think it's better quality than the normal 182 and the price difference isn't that bad. If I didn't have a 182 and some even more luxurious kabukis then I'd buy it. I recommend it if you like the design and are in the market for a great kabuki.

Honestly, my favourite thing about this collection is the video...

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liba

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Woohoo - got my haul today!!!!

I was expecting to love this collection, but I was more in love finally checking it out than expected. Certainly not a collection for everyone, but if you are an old goth lady of a certain age or just like the idea of being in a techno-romantic couture dream, the extra expense won't seem too bad for the exceptional items.

First off, what I skipped:

The pigments - I did like the texture on both of them, which was exceptionally smooth and soft, but I didn't like the jars they came in and I felt like the colors were not very unique. You could easily get away with substituting Bloodline or Winterized for Deceit and Fresh Ice or Hold That Pose or the white or silver in the current blue crushed metal stack for Guise. They're not exact dupes, but you won't be too off base.

Strada - It was VERY pale. I could hardly see it on me and I'm at my palest for the year right now (I actually bought a bottle of Matchmaster foundation in 1.0, instead of 1.5, that's how light I am now between not getting any sun for a few months and using this amazing stuff the past month: http://caneandaustin.com/main/content/retexturizing-treatment-pads - my skin's starting to get back to the snow white it used to be years ago - call me pleased) Anyhow, back to Strada - I honestly couldn't tell the difference between it and the natural color of my cheeks. I think it would only work if you have completely covered up your natural cheek color with a full coverage foundation, or if you have zero natural cheek color, or finally, if you have skin that's quite dark and want a pale color that will look pretty and pale without being ashen - I think this formula will be good for that because it's exceptionally soft and silky. 'Still was a pass for me for the price and the kind of weird tiny box it came in. I'd say if the color works well for you, the box might be nice for keeping tiny earrings or other little treasures once you're done with the blush, but it's not a size or shape that matches any other MAC product I can think of, so not re-usable in that sense.

For $75, that makeup bag should have been real leather, or at least leather trim. The interior layout of the bag was actually really functional and very desirable, but not for that price. It's definitely a Pugh bag - his regular bags look the same and I'm sure go for at least $800 + but still, bag looked cheap-ish. The kabuki brush was very soft and perfectly constructed so the dome was perfectly even without a hair out of place, but was rather small sized and I didn't care for the square base. I'd take my angled duo-fiber Semi-Precious kabuki over this one any day. The Metal-X shadows hadn't come in - I was really curious about those, but no luck for now.

What I got....with excess zeal:

Nail Polish - Hyper is fantastic - maybe there are dupes out there for it, but I haven't seen them. Vibrant and glowing while still somehow being rather subtle and not garish.I bought it. 'Held off on Ascension and Inert until I could compare them to the Deborah Lippmann Wicked Game and to Light Affair from Love Lace collection, Dec '09. How are the comparisons? Ascension vs. Wicked Game: very very close, Ascension is a touch more vibrant with a bit pinker highlight - it's a bit thicker than the Lippmann one, which is probably why. The Lippmann one is sheerer - you will need 1-2 more coats to get the same result as the MAC color, but it's also smoother without any noticeable streaks, even while slapping it on haphazardly - i'm sure that's the Lippmann brush and the thinner consistency. It's a great color, so it's worth it to get if from either brand, but I'd go with Wicked Game since it's cheaper, but the MAC version beats the Lippmann on purely glossiness and vibrancy alone, but just barely. Inert is very tempting - it's a few tones deeper than Light Affair and reads with a bit less purple than Light Affair. It's certainly one of the best of these grey/taupe/mauve weird neutrals that have been floating around - the application is very smooth and easy and you only need 1 coat for it to be opaque. It's not super glossy either, which is pretty cool - this would be nice on its own without a top coat. I'm not sure if I will splurge on it, but that's only because I have plenty of Light Affair still. LA is a color I get tons of compliments on, though and one of my favorite MAC polishes, so Inert would be a decent replacement. Essie does some colors like these but none of them are as subtle and sophisticated as either LA or Inert, so take that as you will, for the $.

Elude BP - I held off on Snowglobe on the chance I'd prefer Elude. Was I right to do this? YES RESOUNDINGLY. Would everyone be right to do this? Nope. Here are my criteria for it being worth $60 smackeroos for you:
#1 - Doesn't come with a refill, but the compact is reusable. There's a tiny button you can depress and the whole thing will open up, ready to accept a new standard powder pan. We tested the size, regular powder pan will work just fine. I'll have to fiddle with depotting, but I'll be able to get my Careblend powder in there for the future.

#2 - This is the most desirable piece from a packaging standpoint - it's weighty and feels more like jewelry than most other powder compacts. Even some of the fancy Guerlain compacts feel cheaper than this one. I loved the Art Deco/Cyber style and it's very recognizably Gareth Pugh. Very minimalist, but feels great. It's what I'd call private luxury - only you will know what you have when you pick it up or open it. Not for those who love frilly and feminine or ornate and baroque.

#3 - The BP itself is f-king beautiful. I'm not a huge BP fan - I usually find them a little too powdery on my skin. This one is smooooooooth like butter, though. Very soft in the pan, but no powdery residue on application, even with an overloaded brush. It does not have sheen to the degree that Snowglobe does, not by a long shot. That one's a straight up highlighter compared to Elude. Rather, it has an extremely subtle, elegant texture that I can only compare to an old Shu Uemura traditional kabuki rice powder I used to have in the 90s. It's not a glow or a sheen, it's more of a porcelain bisque effect. Even the Careblend powder looks a bit more light reflective than Elude, but Elude isn't matte either. It's got more coverage than Careblend, I'd say roughly 30% more, perhaps 25%. Compared to Careblend in Light, Elude is also more purely neutral in color. Careblend has more pink to it, while Elude is more yellow. This leads to a neutralizing effect - it will make your skin look pale white, but due to erasing all the pink tones on your face, rather than from adding a white layer, so it doesn't look ghostly. This will be an awesome look for anyone with NC or especially NW15 and lighter. Like I said, I'm now at Matchmaster 1.0 and this powder was amazing on, without any foundation and just sick, insane gorgeous over the foundation. Can anyone darker than NC15 wear Elude? Not too sure, but it's worth a test if you're in store, since the texture is very fine. Maybe you'll get an interesting effect that's more like a softening and neutralizing. Or it'll be ashy as hell - wish I could be more helpful on this, but just the fact that I think it has potential NOT to be ashy shows what an unusual effect this one has. Traditional japanese rice powder isn't terribly long lasting and is a bit of a bitch to apply thinly and evenly without a lot of buffing. Elude will give you all of that without all the effort and light up your face without a trace of sheen while still not being matte. If you don't look good in matte powder, you may need to be careful and moisturize well before using Elude, if you're not also wearing foundation.

#4 - Would you like to be Cyber Snow White Noise? Yes/No. Interested in a powder that's more bad ass than that Chanel holiday one? Yes? I did not feel one iota of remorse over spending the big bucks on this powder. Back in my youth, I wouldn't have even looked at a face powder unless it gave me this exact look and I never had one I remotely liked other than that Shu Uemura. This one's better by far. I don't have a good set up to do really great photos, but if I have time to play around, I could try to do some face shots with the same lipstick but one with bare skin and one with Elude and maybe one with Elude + foundation. This is the only way to properly capture what's up with Elude in a photo.

I'll start a new post to talk about the lipsticks and glosses AND THE LASHES <3 (I got 2 pairs of those babies!!!)
 

ansimi

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Liba, I always love your reviews:)

Now you almost have me wanting that lovely little earring box...it would seriously be perfect for that. It's way too small for a blush though.

For reference, I am lighter than NW15 and it is difficult to express how awful Elude looked on me. It did not neutralize at all; rather it made me a sickly yellow shade with shimmer. My SA laughed hysterically as she got me a wipe. I would have loved that compact for my Careblend though.

MAC should do a couture collection of just refillable compacts (and maybe earring boxes) with nothing in them - I'd be all over that.

Please post a pic when you have occasion to wear the lashes!
 

liba

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Liba, I always love your reviews:)

Now you almost have me wanting that lovely little earring box...it would seriously be perfect for that. It's way too small for a blush though.

For reference, I am lighter than NW15 and it is difficult to express how awful Elude looked on me. It did not neutralize at all; rather it made me a sickly yellow shade with shimmer. My SA laughed hysterically as she got me a wipe. I would have loved that compact for my Careblend though.

MAC should do a couture collection of just refillable compacts (and maybe earring boxes) with nothing in them - I'd be all over that.

Please post a pic when you have occasion to wear the lashes!
Sorry Elude eluded looking good on you
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I'm a little surprised it looked yellow in a bad way on you, but I guess it must have even more coverage than I realized (it's for sure got more coverage than Careblend, but I didn't think it had as much as a MSF Natural, but maybe it does)..... I didn't get any shimmer from it or sheen. On me it was less light reflective than Careblend. I came in to test it out with a bare face and we used a 188 brush for it. I put way too much on the brush, since the powder was softer than I expected it to be, so when I put it on, I thought it looked too heavy. Then I gave myself a very light spritz of Fix+ and it looked gorgeous. Later I put a light layer of Matchmaster 1.0 on the main planes of my face and then put Elude over that after it had set and I LOVED that.

One thing I guess I should stress - no way is it a natural looking finish or color. It was for sure a kabuki powder look on me, except not ghostly white geisha kabuki look, but a bit more natural. Still, not natural by any means. It's formal and couture and pretty extreme. Also I don't think it'd work too well if you've got the girl-next-door, wholesome look. I also think it could be aging on some people, because of all of this, just like some red lipsticks make me look like a frumpy old lady and tack on 15 years ( I can't wear neutral reds or brown reds, only overtly orange or blue reds).

Thinking about it, I don't think this color would look too great on redheads (unless we're talking fake cherry red), but black, brunette or pale blonde could do it. Dirty blonde or light brown might be tricky. I had black clothes and a red jacket on, plus the dark lippies from the collection. I think it'd need black or pale lingerie colors in clothing, mostly, for the full effect.

If it doesn't work, mucho dinero saved - hell, you could buy all the Iris Apfel lipsticks for the price of this bad boy!! If it works, well watch the hell out - it was frikken fierce like the flames of Satan on me.
 

liba

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Please post a pic when you have occasion to wear the lashes!
I discussed this with my MA - she felt you could get about 10 uses out of a set of these lashes. I haven't owned any false lashes in so many years, I'm not sure if there's a way I'll be able to stretch out my number of uses beyond that. I got an extra set, just in case - omg so amazing. The lashes are hand cut so every pair is different. My store only got 6 pairs in and they generally get large volume for everything since they're the highest volume store in L.A. in terms of sales. If you want them, you better high-tail it over and snag them.

I think $18 is a fantastic price for these outrageous lashes. Go look at Shu Uemura's lash selection. We are talking $36 - $70 for a set of lashes, albeit with rhinestones and made out of feathers.

I'm sorry but I won't post a picture wearing the lashes until I'm actually ready to wear them for a night out, considering now I'm paranoid about how many uses I'm going to get out of them. If anyone has any tips on keeping false lashes in perfect condition, please let me know. If I'm being scared over nothing and can re-use them till the cows come home, then I'll take photos for sure!
 

Edelmc

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Quick question about the buffer. Do many people use the buffer after foundation to buff the foundation in Pre powder application? Just curious....
 

Naynadine

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Thank you for the review, Liba! Very helpful, as always, especially your thoughts on Elude.

I really appreciate it, when someone who has seen the products in person takes the time to write such detailed reviews, since I have to order this online.
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Mac-Guy

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I need to try it out over the Matchmaster. I can imagine that the finish will be more matte as the Matchmaster is already pretty matte.

On me, Elude over F&B gives a very nice, but natural sheen, but this might be due to the dewy finish of F&B.


Sorry Elude eluded looking good on you
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I'm a little surprised it looked yellow in a bad way on you, but I guess it must have even more coverage than I realized (it's for sure got more coverage than Careblend, but I didn't think it had as much as a MSF Natural, but maybe it does)..... I didn't get any shimmer from it or sheen. On me it was less light reflective than Careblend. I came in to test it out with a bare face and we used a 188 brush for it. I put way too much on the brush, since the powder was softer than I expected it to be, so when I put it on, I thought it looked too heavy. Then I gave myself a very light spritz of Fix+ and it looked gorgeous. Later I put a light layer of Matchmaster 1.0 on the main planes of my face and then put Elude over that after it had set and I LOVED that.

One thing I guess I should stress - no way is it a natural looking finish or color. It was for sure a kabuki powder look on me, except not ghostly white geisha kabuki look, but a bit more natural. Still, not natural by any means. It's formal and couture and pretty extreme. Also I don't think it'd work too well if you've got the girl-next-door, wholesome look. I also think it could be aging on some people, because of all of this, just like some red lipsticks make me look like a frumpy old lady and tack on 15 years ( I can't wear neutral reds or brown reds, only overtly orange or blue reds).

Thinking about it, I don't think this color would look too great on redheads (unless we're talking fake cherry red), but black, brunette or pale blonde could do it. Dirty blonde or light brown might be tricky. I had black clothes and a red jacket on, plus the dark lippies from the collection. I think it'd need black or pale lingerie colors in clothing, mostly, for the full effect.

If it doesn't work, mucho dinero saved - hell, you could buy all the Iris Apfel lipsticks for the price of this bad boy!! If it works, well watch the hell out - it was frikken fierce like the flames of Satan on me.
 

Mac-Guy

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To get some more life out of the lashes, I recommend that you take the utmost care when you remove them. There is not much that you can do while you wear them, but taking them off very carefully will help to squeeze out a longer lifetime - within limits of course.

I also bought two pairs. I find them quite affordable and I was anticipating a higher price for them. Thus, 18 bucks is reasonably in comparison to other brands.

I discussed this with my MA - she felt you could get about 10 uses out of a set of these lashes. I haven't owned any false lashes in so many years, I'm not sure if there's a way I'll be able to stretch out my number of uses beyond that. I got an extra set, just in case - omg so amazing. The lashes are hand cut so every pair is different. My store only got 6 pairs in and they generally get large volume for everything since they're the highest volume store in L.A. in terms of sales. If you want them, you better high-tail it over and snag them.
I think $18 is a fantastic price for these outrageous lashes. Go look at Shu Uemura's lash selection. We are talking $36 - $70 for a set of lashes, albeit with rhinestones and made out of feathers.

I'm sorry but I won't post a picture wearing the lashes until I'm actually ready to wear them for a night out, considering now I'm paranoid about how many uses I'm going to get out of them. If anyone has any tips on keeping false lashes in perfect condition, please let me know. If I'm being scared over nothing and can re-use them till the cows come home, then I'll take photos for sure!
 
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