MAC and Gareth Pugh Discussion

Mac-Guy

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Well, the only reason I didn't because the way that it looks on my hand will not look that way on your lips. But sure, I can do that today in natural lighting which I did not have last night.

With this lipstick, I feel like your skin tone & natural lip color will determine if it works for you.

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Hehehe, that's just one of four orders
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Mac-Guy

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I've got half a day off - and most important, I have a laptop rather than a smart device, so typing longer posts is easier - so here are my thoughts:

Elude b/p: IMO, this is the star product of this collection as it captures both a high-quality and unique product while delivering a packaging that certainly feels "couture." Please note that my review is based on NW15 skin (I'm NW20 during the summer).

Let me start with the packaging. As soon as you get your hands on Elude, you'll notice how heavy the compact feels. While I utterly love the design of the Marcel Wanders compact, I was missing the heavy weight that adds to the "expensive" component of a $60 compact. Elude is very heavy and even after 4 weeks of using it, I'm still surprised about how heavy it feels when I pick it up. The metal of the compact adds an certain je ne sais quoi expensiveness to it that fully complements the Gareth Pugh design. Having said that, if you want to carry it around in your handbag, it certainly adds weight to it. However, the design looks so luxurious that it will instantly vamp up every cosmetic stash.

On my NW15 skin, the powder blends in effortlessly, leaving a semi-matte sheen. If you look closely, the powder contains tiny micro-light-reflecting particles that will pick up the light w/o looking shiny or sparkly. In fact, you have to look closely to discover the glitter, rendering the powder in an understated sheen that is neither matte nor overly glowy. I find the 131 brush best to apply over F&B in N1 or N2 - set with P+P powder, in which case the dewy-ness of the F&B still comes through while Elude add another dimension of sheen that is different from F&B. I recommend using a light hand, especially as the powder is very soft, thus a harder brush (e.g. a kabuki) might pick up too much product. I use the 131 on the planes of the face and buff it slightly out with the 179 or the GP 182. For added highlighting, I use the 169 (as it picks up more product in comparison to the 168) and brush it on, blending out the edges with the 131 again. It is amazing how much dimension you can achieve using Elude with the right brushes. I would not recommend a heavy application as it will most certainly look cakey. I also used the 187, but Elude it is more a brush-on rather than a stipple-on product, thus I'll stick to the 131.

While the Sheer Mystery Powders from previous years had a slightly yellow tint to it, I feel that Elude is much more neutral, in which case it will work well for both NC and NW complexions. If you are darker than NW20, I imagine that you can use it as a highlighting powder, especially due to the translucent nature, which highlights w/o covering up. For those in the NW10 - 20 range with slight redness (like me), Elude is a divine product as the shade slightly cancels out redness w/o adding a white cast - which might look ghostly. Mind you, it is not intended for covering and some redness will still show through. My redness is in the cheeks - like a natural flush - so Elude neutralizes the red w/o completely erasing it. It's simply divine for a natural porcelain look. I have not tried out a heavy coverage nor will I do so as I personally dislike cakey looks. However, it might still work.

The formula is as nourishing as it can go for a powder. I compared it previously with the Estee Lauder Re-Nutritive Comfort Powder in "Translucent" and the formula comes very close. As mentioned by previous posters, the texture can also be compared to the MAC's Careblend formula, though I find it slightly more nourishing.

Here is a comparison swatch of the EL powder/Elude (excuse my hit-pan compact).



The EL version is slightly darker, which shows how light Elude actually is and what kind of effect can be achieved. If you are between NW10 and NW20, it is a must-have product IMO as MAC has not released a shade like this nor do I assume that it will release another color that light any time soon.

Yes, $60 does not come cheap, but as the EL powder was already around $50, I do not mind spending an extra 10 bucks, especially as the design of the compact is so much more luxurious in comparison to the EL one. There is a little pin-hole at the back of the compact, which should allow you to depot the compact and replace it, but I have not tried it out (nor will I any time soon). If you do, please report back.

PS: I tried to photograph it again this morning, but due to the nature of the product and how it is supposed to be applied, it is impossible to photograph. A heavy swatch will certainly show up but as this is not the intention of the product, it is pointless to photograph it that way IMO.
 

elegant-one

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Great thorough review Mac Guy!

"if you want to carry it around in your handbag, it certainly adds weight to it."
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<------ this made me chuckle to myself.

If my handbag gets any heavier, I will need one of those dolly carts to carry it
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rockin

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Mac-Guy, your review makes me want Elude, especially as I am very pale skinned (NW15 Studio Fix Fluid is too dark for me). I also have some redness in the cheeks. Unfortunately, the cost for me is prohibitive.
 

Edelmc

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Mac-guy- fantastic review! I am thinking of getting elude. You mention using p&p too.... Do you use p&p all over to set and then elude on the higher planes (almost like a bronzer but for pale beauties?!). Also do you know how it compares to msfn and careblend from a finish point of view?
 

Mac-Guy

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Great thorough review Mac Guy!

"if you want to carry it around in your handbag, it certainly adds weight to it."
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<------ this made me chuckle to myself.

If my handbag gets any heavier, I will need one of those dolly carts to carry it
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I'm just coming back from the airport carrying two MAC Pro travel cases with me. I've got slightly bruised shoulders now, but it was totally worth it.
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liba

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Mac-Guy, your review makes me want Elude, especially as I am very pale skinned (NW15 Studio Fix Fluid is too dark for me). I also have some redness in the cheeks. Unfortunately, the cost for me is prohibitive.
Back in the day, you could find super light, near white face powder from the high end brands - not all of them, but a decent variety. Nowadays, the trend's been so overloaded with bronzers, I think the mainstream mentality is pretty much opposed to something so lightening and whitening. The good news is fashion and beauty are cyclical, so a brand like MAC will do a powder like Elude, see how it goes and then perhaps offer something else along the same lines down the road when they can be sure they can get it featured on the runways and in magazine editorials, etc.

Keep your eyes peeled next fall/winter season - maybe we'll see another beauty powder or LE MSFN or other powder formula in off-white (which is basically what Elude is). There's got to be a backlash against bronze and also against the ultra-natural face look we've had for a couple years and which is sort of reaching an extreme level with Spring '12. I don't see a color like this getting added to anyone's permanent range for a few years going forward, if at all, though.

You'll find one, rockin - at your price point!
 

Mac-Guy

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Mac-guy- fantastic review! I am thinking of getting elude. You mention using p&p too.... Do you use p&p all over to set and then elude on the higher planes (almost like a bronzer but for pale beauties?!). Also do you know how it compares to msfn and careblend from a finish point of view?

Yes, exactly. Using P+P does not only help to set F&B but also provides a rather smooth surface for Elude. This step is essential to prevent caking.

I have not used the MSFN in a long time, so I am by no means qualified to judge, but from my previous experience I can say that the MSFN are more prone to oxidize - i.e. they appear darker as time goes on - while Elude stays color-true throughout the day. In comparison to the Careblend formula, Elude adds more oompf due to the almost invisible micro-glitter, which adds a very light sheen and optically providing a smooth appearance.
 

Mac-Guy

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Mac-Guy, your review makes me want Elude, especially as I am very pale skinned (NW15 Studio Fix Fluid is too dark for me). I also have some redness in the cheeks. Unfortunately, the cost for me is prohibitive.

I understand, it is expensive in comparison to other MAC products, but I do not find it overly expensive if I compare it with other high end brands.
 

Mac-Guy

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Back in the day, you could find super light, near white face powder from the high end brands - not all of them, but a decent variety. Nowadays, the trend's been so overloaded with bronzers, I think the mainstream mentality is pretty much opposed to something so lightening and whitening. The good news is fashion and beauty are cyclical, so a brand like MAC will do a powder like Elude, see how it goes and then perhaps offer something else along the same lines down the road when they can be sure they can get it featured on the runways and in magazine editorials, etc.
Keep your eyes peeled next fall/winter season - maybe we'll see another beauty powder or LE MSFN or other powder formula in off-white (which is basically what Elude is). There's got to be a backlash against bronze and also against the ultra-natural face look we've had for a couple years and which is sort of reaching an extreme level with Spring '12. I don't see a color like this getting added to anyone's permanent range for a few years going forward, if at all, though.

You'll find one, rockin - at your price point!
I had some Shiseido powders back in the 90s that were ultra-white, but eventually they were d/c.


I can't wait to rock all the new Winter Spring looks. The new cream e/s are absolutely awesome, starting with the Metal X for a more metallic effect and the Extra Dimension formula.
 

Naynadine

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Mac-Guy, your review makes me want Elude, especially as I am very pale skinned (NW15 Studio Fix Fluid is too dark for me). I also have some redness in the cheeks. Unfortunately, the cost for me is prohibitive.
Givenchy has great powders, I have the Prisme Libre in Pastel Light, and it does a great job in evening out the complexion, especially when it comes to redness. I'm a bit lighter than NW15 and always have problems with a lot of redness, especially on my cheeks. And this works amazing, and it is really light, I would only recommend this for NW/NC15 and lighter. There also is a pressed version. Of course Givenchy isn't cheap either, but in Euro prices, it's definitely cheaper than Elude.
 

Mac-Guy

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Restrict l/s is the favorite lip product from this collection. It as a pale nude with undertones in mauve, beige, and light pink, a combination which perfectly complements my natural lip color w/o washing me out or looking like a nude-but-trying-too-hard shade (which can look terrible). Restrict applies effortlessly to my lips, but I make sure that my lips are well hydrated with a lip conditioner for at least twenty minutes before I apply Restrict. I usually apply the conditioner right after I apply my moisturizer, which I let sink in for at least 15 minutes before I proceed with primer and/or foundation. Restrict can be applied in a very sheer layer w/o looking patchy or more heavily for an opaque look. I do not recommend to apply it in a thick layer as the effect will not look aesthetically pleasing, at least IMO, as it can look too creamy and overdone. I think it works best as a thin to medium layer, in which case it is a MLBB color (depending on your pigmentation), adding a sheen to the lip w/o looking too shiny. Due to the mauve undertones, I'd say it works best for NW complexions or NC that do not feature overly yellow undertones.

On my hand, it blends in very nicely with a my NW15/20 skintone and in comparison with Nubile p/p, the mauve/pink becomes more apparent. It is the mauve-y undertone that makes it work so well with the other products of this couture collection. The texture seems to be more firm than other MAC l/s that I have, but the firmer grip makes it easier to apply an even layer in one swipe w/o adding too much product as it happens with more creamier formulas, e.g. Secret Lover l/s. For me, it is a perfect nude that can be equally worn by any gender who features a lighter complexion. I'm hesitant to comment on how long it last on the lips as this can be very subjective. Having said that, the l/s is light enough to carry it around and re-apply it when desired.

The packaging feels heavy and more luxurious, though the tube is more prone to finger prints, which however, can be easily removed. As in Elude, the heavyness of the product adds to the luxury touch that you get from GP. It's a great product and despite the higher price point, I believe it is worth the money if you are attracted to a new l/s formula and a signature design.
 

liba

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Mac-guy- fantastic review! I am thinking of getting elude. You mention using p&p too.... Do you use p&p all over to set and then elude on the higher planes (almost like a bronzer but for pale beauties?!). Also do you know how it compares to msfn and careblend from a finish point of view?
I'm not Mac-Guy, but I hope you don't mind my personal take. The coverage is heavier than careblend, but just a bit under msfn. It's closer to msfn in finish, but again, it's a lighter texture and it fuses into the skin better. I find it noticeably less light reflective than careblend. I'd call it the closest you could get to not being reflective at all without reading as pure matte (if you put it on bare skin). If you're wearing foundation underneath, it won't compete with your foundation's finish, so if you have a dewey finish foundation, it won't totally override it, but it won't make a matte foundation look too matte and dull (I <3 it over Matchmaster). Elude's finish is what used to be called bisque, in my grandma's day. It's not 100% matte, but it's more matte than satin - it's porcelain tea cup/ china doll finish.

I applied it with a 188 and felt like it was a little hard to control that way and needed a spritz of Fix+ to smooth it down. At home, I went for the 131 and liked that very much (that's what I have in my photo). I do think that I'll go hog wild and try it with my 138 over foundation for a really dramatic, nighttime look at some point. It's buildable, so you can certainly use a combo of brushes and control the coverage in different parts of the face as you say - pale anti-bronzer. What I personally love about Elude is that you DON'T have to fuss with that if you don't want to. I used to have be really fussy and particular with the white powder I'd use in the past, but the texture of Elude lets you get that look with just one good brush and a light hand, without needing to be extra careful so it doesn't get patchy or powdery. That is the absolute best feature of Elude to me - hassle free white!! Unheard of!
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I still think everyone should check it out in person first before buying, though, since it seems like it may not look right even on all fair skin tones, considering what Ansimi's experience was. No point in spending $60 on it if you'll feel uncomfortable wearing it in public.
 

Mac-Guy

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Vacant l/g is a great gloss to complement Restrict l/s. Those who like lavender colors will certainly like it. It is an understated kind of lavender that brings out the mauve in Restrict w/o falsifying the natural look of it. It has some micro-glitter that is almost invisible to the eye, but adds a glossy sheen w/o giving the illusion of drooling - which can happen to a large number of glosses that are out there in a very unattractive way.

Vacant can also be worn alone, though the lavender character gets a bit lost. As stated above, I feel it works best in combination with Restrict as the two products develop a kind of symbiotic relationship that portrays the GP design aesthetic.

Please note that due to the square packaging, it is more difficult - well, relatively speaking - to get out product. In my case, this suits me very well as I am not a fan (anymore) of overly glossy lips, thus one swipe gives me enough glossy sheen that I do not feel the need to go for seconds. The formula is not as sticky as other MAC glosses, at least that is how I experience it.
 

elegant-one

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I agree with everything you just said above about Restrict ls!!! That is exactly how it is for me. Also, I love love layering other pale ls over it & smooshing my lips together. It makes the color so soft & elegant. I love this ls so much that I wore it yesterday & all day today because I love how it makes my natural lips look.
 

liba

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I had some Shiseido powders back in the 90s that were ultra-white, but eventually they were d/c.
The Japanese were the best for face powder tech in the 80's/90's and also had the most daring pale shades (in an era where super pale skin was more acceptable in the first place)! Shiseido and Shu Uemura were the way to go! I even had pancake white cream foundation from Shu Uemura back then. One day all of that will be back in style and it'll be due to these great new formulas like Elude has!
 

Mac-Guy

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Outrage l/g is the more dramatic gloss of this collection, but it is certainly not an in-your-face product. How the product looks in the tube is somehow misleading, as you would expect a much darker color. Outrage features a translucent berry color that has coolish mauve-y undertone that also has a hint of brown. The most interesting aspect is the micro-glitter in antique gold, green, and blue that adds a duo-(trio!)-chrome dimension to the gloss. The glitter is really tiny - tiny as in hard to detect - but adding a deeper dimension to lips.

It can be worn alone, in which case it deepen my natural lip color, but still looking natural. I also like it over Restrict, in which case it not only deepens the color, but warms it up slightly without turning into a warm l/g and/or l/s color.

As with any lip product, your own lip pigmentation will make a big difference on how it looks on you. In any case, if you like the GP color palette, it fits in nicely with the overall theme of this collection.
 

Mac-Guy

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I agree with everything you just said above about Restrict ls!!! That is exactly how it is for me. Also, I love love layering other pale ls over it & smooshing my lips together. It makes the color so soft & elegant. I love this ls so much that I wore it yesterday & all day today because I love how it makes my natural lips look.

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For me, it's the best nude l/s of 2011. I'm very picky about l/s, but once I find a color I like, I BU the hell out of it.
 

Mac-Guy

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The Japanese were the best for face powder tech in the 80's/90's and also had the most daring pale shades (in an era where super pale skin was more acceptable in the first place)! Shiseido and Shu Uemura were the way to go! I even had pancake white cream foundation from Shu Uemura back then. One day all of that will be back in style and it'll be due to these great new formulas like Elude has!

Since I have Elude, I don't feel the need to add a bronzer to my look. It gives me such a sophisticated finish that outshines my vast bronzer collection - at least for the time being and/or during the winter months.
 

Mac-Guy

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I'm not Mac-Guy, but I hope you don't mind my personal take. The coverage is heavier than careblend, but just a bit under msfn. It's closer to msfn in finish, but again, it's a lighter texture and it fuses into the skin better. I find it noticeably less light reflective than careblend. I'd call it the closest you could get to not being reflective at all without reading as pure matte (if you put it on bare skin). If you're wearing foundation underneath, it won't compete with your foundation's finish, so if you have a dewey finish foundation, it won't totally override it, but it won't make a matte foundation look too matte and dull (I <3 it over Matchmaster). Elude's finish is what used to be called bisque, in my grandma's day. It's not 100% matte, but it's more matte than satin - it's porcelain tea cup/ china doll finish.
I applied it with a 188 and felt like it was a little hard to control that way and needed a spritz of Fix+ to smooth it down. At home, I went for the 131 and liked that very much (that's what I have in my photo). I do think that I'll go hog wild and try it with my 138 over foundation for a really dramatic, nighttime look at some point. It's buildable, so you can certainly use a combo of brushes and control the coverage in different parts of the face as you say - pale anti-bronzer. What I personally love about Elude is that you DON'T have to fuss with that if you don't want to. I used to have be really fussy and particular with the white powder I'd use in the past, but the texture of Elude lets you get that look with just one good brush and a light hand, without needing to be extra careful so it doesn't get patchy or powdery. That is the absolute best feature of Elude to me - hassle free white!! Unheard of!
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I still think everyone should check it out in person first before buying, though, since it seems like it may not look right even on all fair skin tones, considering what Ansimi's experience was. No point in spending $60 on it if you'll feel uncomfortable wearing it in public.

That's good to know, though I usually don't replace pans with other products than initially intended. But who knows, the compact is certainly stunning enough to warrant a lifetime seat on my beauty product shelf.
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