Is it time for there to be 2 teachers per classroom?

Raerae

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It almost seems like every week another pedophile teacher gets caught, or we find out about it because of the trial, or whatever.

Should schools be forced to have 2 adults, maybe even 1 man and 1 woman present in all classrooms? Especially in the lower grades? And especially during any "private" type discussions a teacher may need with a student behind closed doors, just as a witness to make sure nothing bad is happening? It seems like these kids were so innocent at the age it was happening at, and some even admitted they didn't even know it was sexual until they were older.

I wish there was a harsher punishment for pedophiles. I'd be perfectly ok with an automatic death penalty sentence for them. They ruin so many lives.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071021/...fNE7f5sX Ir0F
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BERWYN, Ill. - They've learned to watch their older daughter for any sign that something's wrong. She cuts her long, blond hair and dyes it jet black. And they worry. Her father picks up a book she's been reading, "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy, and skims it for clues.

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He notices a highlighted passage: "You forget some things, don't you," it reads. "Yes. You forget what you want to remember and you remember what you want to forget."

Her parents can relate. There's a lot they'd like to forget, too — especially since the day nearly three years ago when their then 15-year-old daughter told them her elementary school band teacher had molested her and other girls.

The teacher, Robert Sperlik Jr., pleaded guilty last year to sexual abuse and kidnapping of more than 20 girls, some as young as 9. Among other things, he told prosecutors that he put rags in the girls' mouths, taped them shut and also bound their hands and feet with duct tape and rope for his own sexual stimulation. According to court documents, he rubbed their inner thighs and shoulders and forced them to sit, while bound, in closets and school storage rooms. At least one girl told prosecutors that when Sperlik stood behind her, she could feel his erect penis on her back.

He pretended it was a game, gave the girls candy and told them not to tell.

And for a long time, none of them did.

A seven-month Associated Press investigation found stories like these are all too common. AP reporters in every state and the District of Columbia identified 2,570 teachers who were punished for sexual misconduct from 2001 to 2005 alone, for actions that ranged from fondling to viewing child pornography to rape.

Though experts who deal with sexual abuse say victims tell the truth more often than not, the ordeal is often worsened when the community around them is drawn in, and people take sides. Often, victims and their families face uncooperative administrators, disbelieving neighbors and an agonizing legal journey.

This family in Berwyn, a suburb west of Chicago, understands the emotional toll.

"It's a silent epidemic is what it is," the girl's father says. "People are protecting people who aren't worth protecting. I hope our daughters will have that instilled in them, too — that you report what you know."

The couple, a telecommunications technician and a stay-at-home mom, spoke on the condition that they and their daughter not be identified, so she can try to move on from the nightmare that began in the late 1990s.

They want to share their story to encourage anyone being abused by an educator to come forward. They also hope school officials will do more to get abusive teachers out of classrooms.

"I thought my children were safest in school," the girl's mother says. She shakes her head. As a child, she went to Pershing Elementary, the same school her two daughters attended and one of several in Berwyn, where Sperlik taught band for 18 years.

"I don't trust anybody now."

Her daughter was a fourth-grader when Sperlik began teaching her how to play the clarinet.

She liked him. He said nice things about her and played funny games during class, including letting them draw lips on duct tape and put it on their mouths.

Eventually, though, she and two of her friends started to feel uncomfortable with what they described as increasingly creepy behavior.

After attending a school seminar about inappropriate touching in 2001, they took a piece of paper and wrote a note to the woman who spoke to them.

He "rubs our leg sometimes, rubs our back to feel for a bra," the girl, then age 11, wrote for herself and her friends.

"He comments (to) me about my hair and how nice it looks when it's down, comments to (another female student) on how she dresses and that she should be a model."

They asked the woman not to say anything and, if she did, not to mention their names.

"We are afraid to tell our parents," the girl wrote in the note, which eventually made its way to Karen Grindle, the principal at Pershing.

The girls thought it was enough to flag an adult's attention without having to be too explicit.

Grindle, according to court documents, spoke to the children individually and to some of their parents, though she didn't show the letter to the parents. She told them that their daughters felt uncomfortable with the band teacher — that she had spoken to Sperlik, that he explained that he was only correcting their posture and tapping them on the knee to help them keep a beat.

The parents felt reassured.

"She told me she had my daughter's self-interest at heart. That made me feel good," the mom says.

Later in court, however, the girls claimed they had privately told Grindle that Sperlik touched them in their groin area. Grindle insisted that never happened.

Given her findings, she made no report to police or child protective services. She did, however, tell Sperlik not to touch his students for any reason.

Grindle, who was later cleared of criminal charges for not reporting Sperlik, did not respond to a request for an interview. Nor did Sperlik, by way of his attorney.

William Jordan, the district's superintendent at the time of the abuse, said he could not comment, citing the victims' civil suit against him, other school officials and Sperlik.

"It's important to look at what the school failed to do," says Mark Loevy-Reyes, a Chicago attorney who represents some of the families, including the one profiled in this story. He claims that Sperlik's behavior came to the attention of school officials on various occasions.

"I think it's easy for school districts to turn a blind eye to it, unless they know they can be held accountable."

In 2001, when the parents initially asked their daughter to tell them what happened, she didn't want to talk about it. So they stopped asking.

The daughter never planned to bring it up again. But four years later, she overheard a conversation her mom was having with her younger sister, an eighth-grader whose neighbor friend had been dancing provocatively in front of adults.

Her mother explained that it wasn't appropriate. And when the younger daughter protested the lecture, her older sister had to say something.

"You know what, you need to listen to Mom because of what happened to me with that weirdo band teacher," the elder daughter said, opening the door to her long-kept secret.

It was the first time her mother heard anything about duct tape.

"What did you say? What do you mean? How did he tape you?" her stunned mother asked, grabbing a kitchen chair and cellophane tape so her daughter could show her.

Her daughter started sobbing and the mother stopped, realizing how much the questions were upsetting her.

"This is not your fault," her mom said, tears streaming down her face, too. "I never knew. I didn't know."

When the girl's father came home and heard the story, he immediately went to the police, even though it was late.

"At that moment, as a father — as a man — I needed to go to the proper authorities," he says, his face reddening as he remembers that cold night in January 2005. "I couldn't sleep through the night without taking matters into my own hands."

Their daughter gave police the names of the two other girls, whom police interviewed separately. Eventually, other young women came forward, some saying that they hadn't realized what Sperlik was doing was sexual until they were older.

Many in the community didn't want to believe it.

To them, Sperlik was an awkward, but generally well-liked bachelor and accomplished drummer who related to his students better than other adults.

"I've always known Bob's a little socially inept," says Michelle Nafziger, a mother who went to high school with Sperlik. Her five children also had him for band.

Her daughter was among a group of high school musicians that Sperlik hand-picked for a jazz group called Take 10, which practiced at his home. None of them were among his accusers.

Nafziger remembers how Sperlik had a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" poster hanging in his home. He also took part in what she thought were harmless band pranks, including duct taping students and taking photos of it.

"He was like a big child," Nafziger says.

After he accepted a 20-year prison sentence in a plea deal, she said Sperlik wrote a letter to some of his older, former students — a few of whom visited him behind bars.

Sperlik told them he still did not think he was guilty, Nafziger said. But he apologized to them.

"He's obviously disturbed. Now I could see that these weren't innocent (duct) taping things. I could see that he was getting sexual gratification out of that, which is terrible and should not have been allowed," she says.

"But I don't know. It left us all feeling really weird."

Dominic Tarullo, a parent whose four children had Sperlik for band, suspects Berwyn's history of political corruption somehow played a role in getting Sperlik to accept a plea deal without a fight.

"I know him as a real honest, good guy," says Tarullo, who speculates that Sperlik wanted to save his elderly parents the embarrassment of a trial. "I just cannot imagine that he was abusing kids."

He's not the only one. Immediately after news of Sperlik's arrest hit in January 2005, people began questioning the girls' motives: Why didn't they come forward sooner? Were they really telling the truth?

Some think their parents simply want money from a lawsuit.

The latter accusation is perhaps the most hurtful.

"How dare you?" says the mother of the first family to step forward. "Why would I put my children in harm's way — throw them in front of a bus? Come on!"

It was almost too much for the girl, who never anticipated such harsh public scrutiny.

For a time, she was cutting herself on her arms and ankles, a ritual that is often associated with victims of sexual abuse. Her parents also had her admitted to a psychiatric hospital after she took sleeping pills last year. She was upset that Sperlik hadn't gotten more prison time.

"I just can't take it anymore," she wrote in a note to her parents.

After she came home, they found a counselor who specializes in sexual abuse.

It's been helping, they say. And lately, their daughter has been more angry than depressed, showing some fight.

In the spring, she graduated from a private high school. Now, she has started college in central Illinois and a new chapter away from her troubles in Berwyn.

She's also let her hair grow out and no longer dyes it black.

For the first time in a long time, her parents are hopeful, though nagging guilt and anger persist.

Her mother still has dreams about going to the school to confront the principal about why she didn't do more.

Her father thinks about the day his daughter marries and has kids of her own — how he'll have to resist the urge to park outside her house to watch over them.

"Our kids were like babies still. That's what makes it so hard because they were so innocent," he says.

He rubs his face, as his eyes well up.

"All these kids — I feel sorry for all of them, not just my own.

"We're not the only ones suffering in this. There's a lot of people suffering in this."
 

kimmy

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what they need to do is put all those creepy teachers in general population when they throw them in jail...the other inmates will take care of them and ensure that if they do get out, they'll never touch a kid again.
 

V15U4L_3RR0R

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It must be horrible being an adult and then realising that you're sexually attracted to children. They must live in fear and shame every day. And the sad thing is that there are people out there who are afraid to speak out about it because of all the shit that they'll incur. So they won't get the psychiatric support they need to help them manage it.

I thinkt hat we're dealing with Pedophiles the wrong way. We're dealing with them like we dealt with the gay community way back when. But then most people won't think about it like that.

Doing things like that to a child is wrong and the people that do it need help and if they can't get help then they should be confined in a secure unit. Not a prison where they will most likely be harmed or in some cases killed. No one deserves that. You may as well be sticking them in a torture chamber. There are the ones that get caught because they lost the battle with themselves but what about the ones who are still fighting in secret. If you all hate pedophilia so much then why not try and help these people instead of condemning them. Hate spawns hate. I think maybe it's time to try and break that cycle.

This does not mean I don't have sympathy for victims. As I said before I think that it is wrong. It must be so humiliating and horrible to go through. But I imagine it can't be much fun for the adult either, knowing what your doing is wrong but you can't help it and you don't know how to stop it.
 

Beauty Mark

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Back to the original topic, I think the two teacher policy thing could work, but- people are going to roll their eyes, think "Mr./Ms./Mrs. X could never be a pedophile! I can leave Susie/Johnny in their care for this hour while I run an errand!" Pedophiles look like all sorts of people, which a lot of people deny. They can look like you and me.

There'll still be victims, but I think it's critical that children learn about inappropriate touching and behavior from adults so they can at least report it.
 

depecher

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Two teachers in every classroom isn't practical. The costs would be ENORMOUS and NO school district would be willing to pay for that. We barely get raises as it is. It's a nice thought, but it will never happen.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
There'll still be victims, but I think it's critical that children learn about inappropriate touching and behavior from adults so they can at least report it.

Yes...
Parents need to be comfortable with talking to their children regarding sex and predators. Parents are visibly uncomfortable with discussing sex and all aspects of it with their children. As long as that discomfort is there, children aren't going to feel safe discussing inappropriate touching with their parents.
 

V15U4L_3RR0R

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
Yes...
Parents need to be comfortable with talking to their children regarding sex and predators. Parents are visibly uncomfortable with discussing sex and all aspects of it with their children. As long as that discomfort is there, children aren't going to feel safe discussing inappropriate touching with their parents.



I completely agree with that. We need to be open about this instead of hiding in the dark.We need to teach our kids about sex and inappropriate touching and so on.

I also agree that there just isn't the money to have two teachers in every classroom. It just isn't feesable right now.

I still think we should try and help Pedophiles instead of shunning them. If we don't help them then the problem won't get better. They can't help the way their brain is wired, just like the rest of us. They need help in learning how to manage it. They don't need to have their windows bricked and assaulted in the street. I think anyone that does that is terrible. We forget that pedophiles are still people at the end of the day.
 

Shimmer

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I hate the 'there isn't money' argument because I just got my property tax bill.
Over half of my taxes (which are substantial) went to the school district.
In a city with approximately 650,000 people, say for the sake of argument that 400000 of them are property owners, with the average tax being 2000 to go to the school. 2K*400K is a LOT of zeros. I realize our teachers need their salaries and all that but you can't tell me that a superintendent's salary should be approaching the half a million mark.


There's no rehab or help for a pedophile. It's a person compelled to do something they KNOW is wrong...something that robs the most innocent and helpless of the very core of their being and innocence. No. No help, no rehab, because it just doesn't work.
 

Beauty Mark

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Having just watched a Law and Order: SVU episode, do you think young people who commit sex crimes like rape or pedophilia can be rehabilitated?
 

Shimmer

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No, the reoccurrence of the behaviour is too high for anyone to legitimately believe that rehabilitation can occur.
 

V15U4L_3RR0R

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But it does occur though. There have been successful groups set up to help people manage their behaviour. And their success rates were prety good last time I checked. There just isn't that many though which is a shame.

If it can't be managed, then house them in a secure unit for the rest of their lives. They won't get out to harm another child but they won't be harmed either.

They are still people at the end of the day. We must never forget that.
 

Shimmer

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I can forget it.
I can forget it easily.
They're adults.
They're adults who willingly do something that they know is harmful, detrimental, damaging, and malicious to children .
I can easily forget them, their lives, and easily believe they shouldn't breath the same air any of us do.
I have no. None. Zero. Zilch. sympathy for a pedophile. A conscious decision is made by that individual to bring harm to another person...often times for years before the perpetrator is revealed.
 

V15U4L_3RR0R

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Well that's your opinion and I shall have to respectfully disagree with it. Hell I used to think like that. But a lot of things happened that changed my veiw about such things a couple of years a go.

Even if you chose to forget, I will not. I chose to believe that if anyone wished harm on anyone no matter who they are, and they want them to suffer horribly (and they do in prison all the time), Is as sick as they are. It horrifies and upsets me that someone would wish prolonged pain on anyone. You may as well be sticking them in a torture chamber back in the middle ages. But that's just what I believe and there are few if any who share that view.

I do however agree that kids need to be taught about sex fully and all of it's aspects.
 

Shimmer

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Respectful disagreement is appreciated and reciprocated. Lots of things have happened in my lifetime that brought me to that conclusion. Then again, I'm a harder person than most people posting in this forum. I don't believe in people making the same 'mistake' over and over again and being offered quarter for that. I think when someone chooses to do something and act on it knowing fully well it's wrong, offering them sympathy and helping them 'overcome' it is really only enabling it.
This particular action and crime causes far too much damage to the victims to try to 'help' the perpetrator, IMO. I do agree, however, that the perpetrator's family should probably receive some kind of coping counseling, as they're a victim in their own right.
 

Beauty Mark

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Let's say medical science discovers a way of identifying pedophiles, like a gene mutation or a certain brain pattern. How should society handle it, if we find it in small children or even babies?

It's something I've been thinking about, and I'm not really sure, even if the means of identifying is 100% solid.
 

Shimmer

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Minority Report was a horrible movie.
Possession of the gene or brain pattern isn't a guarantee that the person will act upon the impulse.
 

Beauty Mark

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Do you think there's a way to prevent it, though? If someone is strongly inclined to become x, y, or z (like if you're prone to lung cancer, you probably shouldn't smoke)?
 

Shimmer

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You still can't take away liberties though, based on a 'might do something'. As far as I know at least.
 
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