MAC - Rodarte Discussion

[katred]

I'd say the fact that so many people here have weighed in on their thoughts about Juarez and how it inspired/ is exploited by bot MAC and Rodarte would indicate that at least some good has come out of the situation. Several of us are more aware of the city and the dangers that face than we were earlier. So personally, I still plan on buying a few things from the collection and I'm probably going to think about their inspiration every time I wear them. Also, I'm planning on tracking down the book 2666, which came to my attention while I was looking around the internet for information on Juarez and which apparently features a fictionalised account of the series of murders there.

Certainly, anyone is free to boycott the collection or MAC longer term for choosing to profit without clearly calling attention to the plight of those who served as the inspiration for the collection. In fact, if you think that they are acting immorally, you should boycott them. And I'd also suggest that if this is a cause that's important to you, you should find out the names of the companies that run the maquilladoras where most of the people serve as slaves and boycott them as well. After all, MAC and Rodarte may be indirectly benefitting from the misery of those people, but others are maintaining those miserable conditions because it turns them a healthy profit.

Just my thoughts.

 

[InspiredBlue]

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Originally Posted by LittleMaryJane I agree. I, for one, didn't know anything about this until this collection. I think it is getting it out there. Has MAC said anything about why they chose to do this collection? If they are trying to get the word out, I can respect that.

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Originally Posted by sss215 the article is talking about the MAC collection, not Rodarte's you're right, it is art. its awareness. but i don't care. Like I said before, Rodarte has lots of things MAC could have pulled from. Why this? I'm just saying.

I think both of you are kind of misunderstanding the concept of designer collaboration collections. When a designer/brand chooses to collaborate with MAC of course they are very much involved in how the collection will look - in this case it's the Rodarte FW 10/11 collection that has served as inspiration. The tie in with the current collection is what brings attention to the designers clothes and brand.

 

[aeroerin]

I am pleased to hear that both MAC and Rodarte have issued swift apologies for the offence this collection has caused, and that MAC will be donating a "portion" of the proceeds to help the suffering women of Juarez. I am anxious to see what MAC decides to do in the coming days and weeks--like what amount/percentage they will donate, and how they will use these funds.

I do not really see, however, how they believed that naming the collection's two nail polishes both "Juarez" and "Factory" would not invoke the image of the maquilladoras, and how offensive that idea is. I am happy that they are raising awareness, but I'm surprised that they had to experience many people's (including my own) outrage to address this aspect of the collection.

I personally research companies' animal testing and treatment of employees (or any labor force associated with their products/services) as much as I can, and I avoid companies and sectors of the economy because of such reasons (like flower companies--that's a whole other story and debate, though).

I hope this collection significantly helps our suffering sisters in Juarez and other factory cities like it.

 

[LittleMaryJane]

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Originally Posted by InspiredBlue I think both of you are kind of misunderstanding the concept of designer collaboration collections. When a designer/brand chooses to collaborate with MAC of course they are very much involved in how the collection will look - in this case it's the Rodarte FW 10/11 collection that has served as inspiration. The tie in with the current collection is what brings attention to the designers clothes and brand.

?? I meant why the Juarez references. Was it just to promote awareness or were they doing something to help or none of the above..

 

[InspiredBlue]

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Originally Posted by LittleMaryJane ?? I meant why the Juarez references. Was it just to promote awareness or were they doing something to help or none of the above..

The Juarez references are there because that's what the inspiration for Rodarte FW 10/11 is.

 

[sungelly87]

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Originally Posted by sss215 you're right, it is art. its awareness. but i don't care. Like I said before, Rodarte has lots of things MAC could have pulled from. Why this? I'm just saying. As far as the Marine life BP tie in. That's totally different. BP is not marketing to women to people of all races. MAC is. That is why this is an issue. I can't even get into it anymore. Good that people can make an informed decision now.

MAC needed a fall designer collection and they have been collaborating with Rodarte so thus thy took inspiration from Rodarte's Fall 2010 collection. I don't understand why it's hard to understand. There is a beautiful ethereal quality to the clothes and makeup. It might not work for all women but it is aesthetically pleasing.

ML is made by MAC and ppl wanted MAC to donate to the Oil Spill, I think that makes perfect sense to me about how people want MAC to donate to this situation.


MAC and Rodarte did both make a statement, in case no one saw:
MAC for Rodarte Collection for Fall 2010 + Official Statements

 

[Susanne]

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Originally Posted by InspiredBlue This just in: This collection will not be available in Sweden. The MA's were told this at update yesterday. I think that might suggest bad news for some other European countries as well.

Thanks for sharing all these news!

I have added the pics here as well:

http://www.specktra.net/forum/f250/m...t-10-a-166446/

 

[aeroerin]

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Originally Posted by sungelly87 MAC needed a fall designer collection and they have been collaborating with Rodarte so thus thy took inspiration from Rodarte's Fall 2010 collection. I don't understand why it's hard to understand. There is a beautiful ethereal quality to the clothes and makeup. It might not work for all women but it is aesthetically pleasing.

I believe she is questioning the morals of the situation, as are many. Sure, the collection looks nice, but its inspiration was not complete in its addressing of the suffering occurring there. I don't think it's necessary to question someone's thoughts on the pure aesthetics of either collection--we're discussing the morality of the situation.

 

[LMD84]

i'm pleased that mac have said they will donate some funds after people have complained to them. i guess it shows that when it counts they do actually listen to people like us. how much they donate though is anybodies guess, but anything is better than nothing.

 

[aeroerin]

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Originally Posted by LMD84 i'm pleased that mac have said they will donate some funds after people have complained to them. i guess it shows that when it counts they do actually listen to people like us. how much they donate though is anybodies guess, but anything is better than nothing.

One of the reasons why I've been so loyal to MAC.

 

[sss215]

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Originally Posted by sungelly87 MAC needed a fall designer collection and they have been collaborating with Rodarte so thus thy took inspiration from Rodarte's Fall 2010 collection. I don't understand why it's hard to understand. There is a beautiful ethereal quality to the clothes and makeup. It might not work for all women but it is aesthetically pleasing. ML is made by MAC and ppl wanted MAC to donate to the Oil Spill, I think that makes perfect sense to me about how people want MAC to donate to this situation. MAC and Rodarte did both make a statement, in case no one saw: MAC for Rodarte Collection for Fall 2010 + Official Statements

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Originally Posted by InspiredBlue I think both of you are kind of misunderstanding the concept of designer collaboration collections. When a designer/brand chooses to collaborate with MAC of course they are very much involved in how the collection will look - in this case it's the Rodarte FW 10/11 collection that has served as inspiration. The tie in with the current collection is what brings attention to the designers clothes and brand.

I understood that and made note of their reasoning in my first post on the subject. I said that MAC used their FW collection for one of their FW releases. I understand the situation, and am saying again, its art and if people are into that, and I get that. you made a good point, but I was expressing my concern about the subject matter. Its not a pleasing subject matter to ME and others. truth be told, I was checking out the swatches too, and i do like one of the MES. So please, i get the art in it. I know one thing, I don't see the beauty of light lipsticks and dark hollow looking eyes. That wouldn't appeal to me appeal to me regardless of who MAC is inspired by.

If people wanted MAC to donate to an oil spill then okay, they have a voice. The correlation between BP and MAC beach inspired line did not strike me as much as this does. young women buy makeup, and this is a line about based on the subject cruelties to young women. I see that direct correlation.

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Originally Posted by sss215 I am just not feeling this. Of all the things Rodarte has done, MAC picked this. WHY? I mean I can tell they are using Rodarte's F/W collection and this line is an F/W line, but damn. Its heavy. I give it to them for promoting awareness. I never heard about any of this until now. The media is always harping on celebrity stories and bs, but never on serious issues like this. but that's a whole other story. The topic of Rodarte's inspiration is so heavy to me. Very thought provoking and very sad; and I really haven't done that much research on the subject. The Rodarte girls could have celebrated their heritage with MAC in a totally different way. I mean they named a product called "quinceanera" so why is the rest so gloomy? I know, the fashion collection was too, but its really an ill move. They need to change the promo pic too. Its too murky, even for MAC. She is scary. The nytimes articles says the line is inspired by Mexico's colors and culture. What? That sheer stuff does not remind me of that. Its reminds me of those dark and gloomy scary runway models we see in lines every 10 years or so. It doesn't remind me of the 90's either. People were rocking dark lips then. I can't wait for MAC's statement if they choose to give one.

I am glad they are donating to the cause. not sure if that was their original intention or not, but glad its going to happen. Glad Rodarte clarified this as well.

 

[lilithsnake6]

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Originally Posted by katred I'd say the fact that so many people here have weighed in on their thoughts about Juarez and how it inspired/ is exploited by bot MAC and Rodarte would indicate that at least some good has come out of the situation. Several of us are more aware of the city and the dangers that face than we were earlier. So personally, I still plan on buying a few things from the collection and I'm probably going to think about their inspiration every time I wear them. Also, I'm planning on tracking down the book 2666, which came to my attention while I was looking around the internet for information on Juarez and which apparently features a fictionalised account of the series of murders there. Certainly, anyone is free to boycott the collection or MAC longer term for choosing to profit without clearly calling attention to the plight of those who served as the inspiration for the collection. In fact, if you think that they are acting immorally, you should boycott them. And I'd also suggest that if this is a cause that's important to you, you should find out the names of the companies that run the maquilladoras where most of the people serve as slaves and boycott them as well. After all, MAC and Rodarte may be indirectly benefitting from the misery of those people, but others are maintaining those miserable conditions because it turns them a healthy profit. Just my thoughts.

I think your answer was beautifully said. As a political science major, I know I'm aware ofsome of the unjustice in the world but I really was kinda of taken aback from reading the comments here and on temptalia how many women don't know about bordertowns or maybe have just not thought about them much. While I agree that maybe the names are slightly inappropriate, the offensive concept I find is the apathy about the disappearance of hundreds of women. While I am certainly happy that MAC will give something to Juarez (though I'm unsure how they will be able to, maybe a non-profit?), I would not have boycotted MAC. Those factories that exploit third world countries and corruption in foreign governments that allows it, that's what should be boycotted. Making tasteless remarks isn't a major crime for me, being a perpetuator of exploitation is. I'm not sure why MAC and Rodarte settled on these names (even with their explantation I'm not sure) but if you want to send a message, send it to the factories. And personally, I'm taking this collection with a grain of salt: I won't be buying because I simply don't like it but I am glad that it has sparked a conversation about a long-dead (in my opinion, the conversation hasn't been covered well) topic.

 

[Susanne]

The promo pic is..... strange. ... Not beautiful whatever beauty is.

 

[laylalovesmac]

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Originally Posted by LittleMaryJane I like the model in the promo pic. Ha. Not that I'd walk around like that...

I love the model, too!

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Originally Posted by MsWestchesterNY There are ways to donate without buying this collection. Not saying you should boycott, but just giving you some information I just think some of the names are really tacky and offensive.

I know there are other ways to donate, and I plan on looking into those as well.

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Originally Posted by aeroerin I am pleased to hear that both MAC and Rodarte have issued swift apologies for the offence this collection has caused, and that MAC will be donating a "portion" of the proceeds to help the suffering women of Juarez. I am anxious to see what MAC decides to do in the coming days and weeks--like what amount/percentage they will donate, and how they will use these funds. I do not really see, however, how they believed that naming the collection's two nail polishes both "Juarez" and "Factory" would not invoke the image of the maquilladoras, and how offensive that idea is. I am happy that they are raising awareness, but I'm surprised that they had to experience many people's (including my own) outrage to address this aspect of the collection. I personally research companies' animal testing and treatment of employees (or any labor force associated with their products/services) as much as I can, and I avoid companies and sectors of the economy because of such reasons (like flower companies--that's a whole other story and debate, though). I hope this collection significantly helps our suffering sisters in Juarez and other factory cities like it.

I am glad to hear that MAC will be donating a portion of the proceeds. However, I will be interested to see how they pull it off. For now, I am still only getting the pigment.

 

[aeroerin]

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Originally Posted by lilithsnake6 I think your answer was beautifully said. As a political science major, I know I'm aware ofsome of the unjustice in the world but I really was kinda of taken aback from reading the comments here and on temptalia how many women don't know about bordertowns or maybe have just not thought about them much. While I agree that maybe the names are slightly inappropriate, the offensive concept I find is the apathy about the disappearance of hundreds of women. While I am certainly happy that MAC will give something to Juarez (though I'm unsure how they will be able to, maybe a non-profit?), I would not have boycotted MAC. Those factories that exploit third world countries and corruption in foreign governments that allows it, that's what should be boycotted. Making tasteless remarks isn't a major crime for me, being a perpetuator of exploitation is. I'm not sure why MAC and Rodarte settled on these names (even with their explantation I'm not sure) but if you want to send a message, send it to the factories. And personally, I'm taking this collection with a grain of salt: I won't be buying because I simply don't like it but I am glad that it has sparked a conversation about a long-dead (in my opinion, the conversation hasn't been covered well) topic.

I'm an international studies/women's studies double major, and I completely agree--the greatest injustice in this whole situation is happening in the bordertowns, not in the MAC/Rodarte offices. I do think that boycotting the companies that take advantage of these women is the best way to deal with this situation, as they are the true evildoers here, yet had MAC/Rodarte not addressed their collaboration's roots like they did, I would have eschewed them for being compliant with these injustices. I'm still not 100% content with their explanation, as you are, but at least they addressed it from the get-go rather than try to ignore it.

 

[laylalovesmac]

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Originally Posted by aeroerin I'm an international studies/women's studies double major, and I completely agree--the greatest injustice in this whole situation is happening in the bordertowns, not in the MAC/Rodarte offices. I do think that boycotting the companies that take advantage of these women is the best way to deal with this situation, as they are the true evildoers here, yet had MAC/Rodarte not addressed their collaboration's roots like they did, I would have eschewed them for being compliant with these injustices. I'm still not 100% content with their explanation, as you are, but at least they addressed it from the get-go rather than try to ignore it.

I completely agree.

I used to volunteer on a weekly basis in Nogales. Lately, my family is too scared for me to go. I do what I can from here now.

 

[carlierae26]

It's good that mac is giving a portion of the profits to this cause, but I won't boycott them. I'd love to get my hands on a few of these items. I think it's ok that Mac does this collaboration.. it all goes back to what people consider what is art and what the artist's inspirations are.

 

[shontay07108]

I think Mac tried to be edgy and it's blown up in their face and rightfully so. While I in no way think racism is behind this, it's in very poor taste. To not know there would be some dust up is just ignorance on their part.

I'm skipping this entire collection b/c the colors don't interest me at all, I don't care for the brand and this just doesn't seem to offer anything to those with my complexion. The poor names only cement my feelings on that.

 

[katred]

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Originally Posted by Susanne The promo pic is..... strange. ... Not beautiful whatever beauty is.

I guess there's always one who has to disagree with everything and in this case it's me. I think that there is a really ghostly beauty to the way she's made up and to what she's wearing. In fact, the picture makes the atmosphere of the collection come alive for me to the point where I want to look at the collection again. I know it's all marketing, but for me, it's effective.

(However, I think most are going to agree with you, Susanne and, objectively, I can see it.)

 

[laylalovesmac]

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Originally Posted by katred I guess there's always one who has to disagree with everything and in this case it's me. I think that there is a really ghostly beauty to the way she's made up and to what she's wearing. In fact, the picture makes the atmosphere of the collection come alive for me to the point where I want to look at the collection again. I know it's all marketing, but for me, it's effective. (However, I think most are going to agree with you, Susanne and, objectively, I can see it.)

I agree with you! The image makes me want the items more!