The war in Iraq (split from WHO is Jesus?)

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer You're putting words in my mouth again. And you're grasping at straws. ok, you know where bin laden is, that's what you're saying? he's in dubai? that's what you're saying?

can you justify guantanamo bay, raping of innocent women, killing of children and AMERICAN soliders torturing innocent civilians.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Lalli America regualary has stuff like floods tornados cyclones hurracaines, surely the greatest nation on earth could spare a few billion dollars and help those in need asap

LMAO
right.
Why aren't you a political figure? You obviously have it all figured out.


Generally when a tornado hits it isn't considered a national emergency.
Generally when a hurricane hits it isn't a national emergency.
Having a hurricane hit in the manner that Katrina did was an unprecedented event.

btw, if you search, and find the timelines, you'll actually find that ALL delays were started by the LOCAL government there.
We have these cool things called policies and procedure in place, and one of the policies is that the FEDERAL government cannot step in until the STATE government requests assistance. Blanco and Nagin did not WANT federal assistance until it was too late.

Just, y'know, FYI.
While we're on that subject, MANY more could have been evacuated pre-landfall had Nagin and Blanco used the resources at hand to take care of the situation.
They didn't. That, madam, does not fall on the federal govt's shoulders.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Lalli can you justify guantanamo bay, raping of innocent women, killing of children and AMERICAN soliders torturing innocent civilians.

You didn't answer the question, again.

Show me relevant and verifiable sources citing rape of women.
Show me relevant and verifiable sources citing INTENTIONAL murder of children.
Show me relevant and verifiable sources citing torture.


THEN I'll delve further into your (in my mind baseless) accusations.

Until then, answer my question, and if you can't, say so.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Lalli is bin laden my dad? i cudnt give a fck im simply repeating what is said on the news and on so called american sites boycotting against muslims, how hard is it to find one man, im not putting no words in ur mouth, you remind me of a typical american person. all hail america thats what its all about, you need to see beyond muslims mass murder and think about people who ACTUALLY need help

so basically, what you're s aying is, you're talking out your ass.

and, I never said all hail America.

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer so basically, what you're s aying is, you're talking out your ass. and, I never said all hail America.

if you werent older then me then i would most certainly retaliated to that comment.dont mean to sound rude but i dont talk out of my ass, you give me proof that american soldiers are not hurting innocent people. if you're not answering my questions then why should i

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer You didn't answer the question, again. Show me relevant and verifiable sources citing rape of women. Show me relevant and verifiable sources citing INTENTIONAL murder of children. Show me relevant and verifiable sources citing torture. THEN I'll delve further into your (in my mind baseless) accusations. Until then, answer my question, and if you can't, say so.

do you NOT read the news? did you not see the soldiers on trial for making videos including that WOMAN soldier of men being sexually assulted and tortured, WHERE do you get your facts from, a very public affair and yet it goes un noticed in your eyes, charming

 

[Shimmer]

OK.
Sgt. Robert Allen Richardson.
Never laid hands on a woman while touring Iraq. Never intentionally harmed a child.
SSG Gregory Noble Giles.
Never laid hands on a woman or child while touring Iraq. Never harmed, intentionally, either woman or child while touring Iraq.

There are two.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Lalli do you NOT read the news? did you not see the soldiers on trial for making videos including that WOMAN soldier of men being sexually assulted and tortured, WHERE do you get your facts from, a very public affair and yet it goes un noticed in your eyes, charming

LOL Abu Graib?

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer OK. Sgt. Robert Allen Richardson. Never laid hands on a woman while touring Iraq. Never intentionally harmed a child. SSG Gregory Noble Giles. Never laid hands on a woman or child while touring Iraq. Never harmed, intentionally, either woman or child while touring Iraq. There are two.

two out of how many thousands out there,
quite simply what i find annoying is that you dont seem to want to respect somebody elses opinion and retaliating, my simple view is that america and britain made a mistake going to war, a big big mistake, like i said you're older, you probably do have well actually do have diff views. but thats hw i see things.

 

[Shimmer]

ok. they're totally in the minority.
you're right.
EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER OVER there wants to rape murder kill and destroy every single nativer person over there.


I mean, obviously, in your nineteen years you've definitely aquired the wisdom to be able to see that.

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer ok. they're totally in the minority. you're right. EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER OVER there wants to rape murder kill and destroy every single nativer person over there. I mean, obviously, in your nineteen years you've definitely aquired the wisdom to be able to see that.

Are you stupid? quote me a single line where i said EVERY SOLDIER IS THERE TO RAPE. get your facts right. Conflict is between the locals and the troops are making it worse,

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Lalli Are you stupid? quote me a single line where i said EVERY SOLDIER IS THERE TO RAPE. get your facts right. Conflict is between the locals and the troops are making it worse,

You just made the implication.
Two out of thousands.
American soldiers are raping and killing women.
Woe to them. Woe to us. EVIL INFIDELS!

 

[Shimmer]

Keep in mind.
As you make these statements.
You are personally attacking me, my brothers, my family, my kids' father.
Keep in mind, you are saying things for which you have NO evidence.

Remember that.

And when anyone reads this thread and wonders why I take your slander and libel so personally, THAT is why.

 

[pumpkincat210]

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Originally Posted by Lalli can you justify guantanamo bay, raping of innocent women, killing of children and AMERICAN soliders torturing innocent civilians.

to be fair i've heard of british troops doing the same thing.

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer You just made the implication. Two out of thousands. American soldiers are raping and killing women. Woe to them. Woe to us. EVIL INFIDELS!

err hello? u stated the names of 2 soldiers WHO DONT ENGAGE in such activity and i said they are two of thousands out there, doesnt mean ALL of them are angles as the 2 you quoted

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by pumpkincat210 to be fair i've heard of british troops doing the same thing.

and when did i say they dont? why do you think i am so anti-war, theres no need for it, things are getting worser and worser,

 

[Shimmer]

NO THEY'RE NOT.
You aren't there Lalli, therefore you really can't say they are!

 

[pumpkincat210]

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Originally Posted by Lalli two or three being grateful is not enough. america and the uk need to find ways better then sticking their foot into a civil war, its all about oil. simple as

It isn't about oil. Iraq's oil production is very slow at this point and they are using the money for rebuilding Iraq.
Quit with the America bashing, i'm seriously offended by your posts.

 

[Lalli]

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Originally Posted by shimmer Keep in mind. As you make these statements. You are personally attacking me, my brothers, my family, my kids' father. Keep in mind, you are saying things for which you have NO evidence. Remember that. And when anyone reads this thread and wonders why I take your slander and libel so personally, THAT is why.

no offence yeh i have family in the army, RAF, Marines in AMERICA and britain and pakistani, not my fault you take comments personally, there was no need for the war, thats all im saying, if you take it personally thats your problem not mine. my intentions are not to hurt or disrespect anyone but i dont see how the war is justifed

 

[Designergirl9]

This is all super interesting to me. My husband is a United States marine. I know some people hate us because of it. We live on a military base..we see our friends come and go. We have been to dedications for marines who have been killed from my husband's unit, we know people who have recieved the purple heart and so on.

It's very hard to generalize all the american troops as being one thing.
Are there bad people in the United States military..you bet! it's just like any other segment of society.
There are also some very good people.

What offends me is that alot of people got into the military before the Iraq war even happened..some military members dont even agree totally with what they are doing...they have to do it though. It's not like you can just be like hey I quit today.

It's a lot more complex then alot of the generalizations people make...just remember that just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean that someone else's family gets the liberty to feel differently about it because they have to support their family..regardless of whether they agree with the situation.