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Richelle83

New member
Ajigglin and Richelle, I disagree. I recall discussions where members openly discussed whether only people with a certain post count should be privy to the code information, just like accessing the clearance bin. I recall one newbie in particular who was harshly criticized for asking about it on the same day she joined, everyone assumed the worst about her, it was terrible.
Yep, I remember that too. I was again trying to explain the situation but it didn't matter how I explained the purpose and my position in this, people kept taking it personal.

Again, this is over and done with. We have a plan outlined and let's just see how it works out.
 

Ajigglin

New member
@missTT- I'm curious as to why you didn't feel welcome. You are certainly a valuable and contributing member, and everyone likes and appreciates you. Maybe your answer is the missing piece to the puzzle as to why people felt things were cliquey.
 

MissTT

New member
I'm not sure how my original post was interpreted as fundamentally changing anything about the way the Color Collection forum currently works. That verbiage was not in the post and the forum is not fundamentally changing. Everyone can pick apart the idea until there are so many holes you can see right through it. It won't change the fact that we do not condone the current status quo of the Color Collection forum and are advocating change. The state of the Color Collections forum evolved on it's on and I'm not happy with the interactions I've witnessed, the PM's I've received (from NEW and OLD members alike!) and the members we've lost because they made the mistake of saying the "wrong thing" or because the tone of the Color Collections forum is no longer FUN and supportive like it used to be, rather now it can feel negative and snarky when the "drama" flares up.

However you approach it there is no perfect solution, and I for one am not going to advocate locking information up. That is the point I am trying to make. With the addition of this premium member perk you now have the CHOICE to chat in a private forum instead of trying to get navigate a social maze of who to contact and what to say. I've spoken with Richelle, the MAC Chat moderator, about it being a part of her moderating responsibility to share whatever PERTINENT release information (i.e. new collections) is shared in MAC Chat Premium. Specktra will still be your leading resource for MAC information regardless of if you choose to become a premium member because THAT'S WHAT WE STAND FOR. I would be a complete hypocrite if I had thought this through and accepted that it would cause the site to become pay for information. It's not who I am and it's not a direction I will willingly take the site in. In MAC Chat Premium will there be discussions that have information that you might not see in the public forum? Will someone maybe score a lipstick before you do because of something posted there? Sure! It's a private forum so people will talk more freely amongst themselves.

The two step process of registration and payment WILL assist in diverting the 1% of the population that could POSSIBLY be resellers and the larger "lurking" population that concerns some members. The more personal information those who are up to nefarious ends have to give up the less likely they are to do it. I think it's important to understand the "lurkers" are makeup addicts NO DIFFERENT than you. Maybe they are a member of another board or blog and they don't want to make an account because a) they don't have to to see the information and b) they prefer their community but can't get the same info there. It's not your job to police the forum for the few who are looking to exploit, being suspicious, and making those who don't "contribute" to some arbitrary standard feel like they are unwanted! I personally feel the reselling thing is blown WAY out of proportion. However, I listen and I respect the fact that people would like a private place to chat.

Okay, so what about the concern there will be people who abuse the system? Sure, maybe it might happen. However, in the YEARS that the Clearance Bin instant access with Premium Membership has been established we have never had a case of abuse. Not once. Also, don't underestimate the love, care, and personal time investment each of your staff members make in keeping up with forum activity and linking it to outside acts. Yes, we do it all the time because we care about protecting the community. If we find someone is abusing their privileges we remove them. It's not difficult to reason out that what we give we can also remove.

As far as asking "well if nothing is changing, why would someone pay"? I don't know, maybe because they want to support the site? Maybe because they want a private chat? Maybe they want instant Clearance Bin access? Whatever the many reasons people may have when they choose to subscribe the ultimate goal is to ensure they have the choice. No secret societies, no vague guidelines for access, no arbitrary standards that go against the nature of the site, and no "why was I left off the PM". A fair and level playing field. And one personal thing on this - I'm sorry but anyone who tells me that this wasn't meant to be an exclusive club was IN and obviously can not comprehend what it was like for the users who were "out" by post count or by pure apathy. Period.

The best, most beautiful, part of this whole thread is that you're talking about how you feel. Thank you for speaking up and making your voice heard. Together we can make beautiful changes to the site, shape it into a place we all want to be and where we all have a home. You are the smartest, prettiest, totally amazing group of people I know and you make me so proud to be here.
 

Ajigglin

New member
I'm not sure how my original post was interpreted as fundamentally changing anything about the way the Color Collection forum currently works. That verbiage was not in the post and the forum is not fundamentally changing. Everyone can pick apart the idea until there are so many holes you can see right through it. It won't change the fact that we do not condone the current status quo of the Color Collection forum and are advocating change. The state of the Color Collections forum evolved on it's on and I'm not happy with the interactions I've witnessed, the PM's I've received (from NEW and OLD members alike!) and the members we've lost because they made the mistake of saying the "wrong thing" or because the tone of the Color Collections forum is no longer FUN and supportive like it used to be, rather now it can feel negative and snarky when the "drama" flares up.  However you approach it there is no perfect solution, and I for one am not going to advocate locking information up. That is the point I am trying to make. With the addition of this premium member perk you now have the CHOICE to chat in a private forum instead of trying to get navigate a social maze of who to contact and what to say. I've spoken with Richelle, the MAC Chat moderator, about it being a part of her moderating responsibility to share whatever PERTINENT release information (i.e. new collections) is shared in MAC Chat Premium. Specktra will still be your leading resource for MAC information regardless of if you choose to become a premium member because THAT'S WHAT WE STAND FOR. I would be a complete hypocrite if I had thought this through and accepted that it would cause the site to become pay for information. It's not who I am and it's not a direction I will willingly take the site in. In MAC Chat Premium will there be discussions that have information that you might not see in the public forum? Will someone maybe score a lipstick before you do because of something posted there? Sure! It's a private forum so people will talk more freely amongst themselves. The two step process of registration and payment WILL assist in diverting the 1% of the population that could POSSIBLY be resellers and the larger "lurking" population that concerns some members. The more personal information those who are up to nefarious ends have to give up the less likely they are to do it. I think it's important to understand the "lurkers" are makeup addicts NO DIFFERENT than you. Maybe they are a member of another board or blog and they don't want to make an account because a) they don't have to to see the information and b) they prefer their community but can't get the same info there. It's not your job to police the forum for the few who are looking to exploit, being suspicious, and making those who don't "contribute" to some arbitrary standard feel like they are unwanted! I personally feel the reselling thing is blown WAY out of proportion. However, I listen and I respect the fact that people would like a private place to chat. Okay, so what about the concern there will be people who abuse the system? Sure, maybe it might happen. However, in the YEARS that the Clearance Bin instant access with Premium Membership has been established we have never had a case of abuse. Not once. Also, don't underestimate the love, care, and personal time investment each of your staff members make in keeping up with forum activity and linking it to outside acts. Yes, we do it all the time because we care about protecting the community. If we find someone is abusing their privileges we remove them. It's not difficult to reason out that what we give we can also remove.  As far as asking "well if nothing is changing, why would someone pay"? I don't know, maybe because they want to support the site? Maybe because they want a private chat? Maybe they want instant Clearance Bin access? Whatever the many reasons people may have when they choose to subscribe the ultimate goal is to ensure they have the choice. No secret societies, no vague guidelines for access, no arbitrary standards that go against the nature of the site, and no "why was I left off the PM". A fair and level playing field. And one personal thing on this - I'm sorry but anyone who tells me that this wasn't meant to be an exclusive club was IN and obviously can not comprehend what it was like for the users who were "out" by post count or by pure apathy. Period.  The best, most beautiful, part of this whole thread is that you're talking about how you feel. Thank you for speaking up and making your voice heard. Together we can make beautiful changes to the site, shape it into a place we all want to be and where we all have a home. You are the smartest, prettiest, totally amazing group of people I know and you make me so proud to be here. 
Thanks for the clarifications. You made a lot of excellent points. We will see what happens.
 

cocotears

New member
I'm not sure how my original post was interpreted as fundamentally changing anything about the way the Color Collection forum currently works. That verbiage was not in the post and the forum is not fundamentally changing. Everyone can pick apart the idea until there are so many holes you can see right through it. It won't change the fact that we do not condone the current status quo of the Color Collection forum and are advocating change. The state of the Color Collections forum evolved on it's on and I'm not happy with the interactions I've witnessed, the PM's I've received (from NEW and OLD members alike!) and the members we've lost because they made the mistake of saying the "wrong thing" or because the tone of the Color Collections forum is no longer FUN and supportive like it used to be, rather now it can feel negative and snarky when the "drama" flares up.

However you approach it there is no perfect solution, and I for one am not going to advocate locking information up. That is the point I am trying to make. With the addition of this premium member perk you now have the CHOICE to chat in a private forum instead of trying to get navigate a social maze of who to contact and what to say. I've spoken with Richelle, the MAC Chat moderator, about it being a part of her moderating responsibility to share whatever PERTINENT release information (i.e. new collections) is shared in MAC Chat Premium. Specktra will still be your leading resource for MAC information regardless of if you choose to become a premium member because THAT'S WHAT WE STAND FOR. I would be a complete hypocrite if I had thought this through and accepted that it would cause the site to become pay for information. It's not who I am and it's not a direction I will willingly take the site in. In MAC Chat Premium will there be discussions that have information that you might not see in the public forum? Will someone maybe score a lipstick before you do because of something posted there? Sure! It's a private forum so people will talk more freely amongst themselves.

The two step process of registration and payment WILL assist in diverting the 1% of the population that could POSSIBLY be resellers and the larger "lurking" population that concerns some members. The more personal information those who are up to nefarious ends have to give up the less likely they are to do it. I think it's important to understand the "lurkers" are makeup addicts NO DIFFERENT than you. Maybe they are a member of another board or blog and they don't want to make an account because a) they don't have to to see the information and b) they prefer their community but can't get the same info there. It's not your job to police the forum for the few who are looking to exploit, being suspicious, and making those who don't "contribute" to some arbitrary standard feel like they are unwanted! I personally feel the reselling thing is blown WAY out of proportion. However, I listen and I respect the fact that people would like a private place to chat.

Okay, so what about the concern there will be people who abuse the system? Sure, maybe it might happen. However, in the YEARS that the Clearance Bin instant access with Premium Membership has been established we have never had a case of abuse. Not once. Also, don't underestimate the love, care, and personal time investment each of your staff members make in keeping up with forum activity and linking it to outside acts. Yes, we do it all the time because we care about protecting the community. If we find someone is abusing their privileges we remove them. It's not difficult to reason out that what we give we can also remove.

As far as asking "well if nothing is changing, why would someone pay"? I don't know, maybe because they want to support the site? Maybe because they want a private chat? Maybe they want instant Clearance Bin access? Whatever the many reasons people may have when they choose to subscribe the ultimate goal is to ensure they have the choice. No secret societies, no vague guidelines for access, no arbitrary standards that go against the nature of the site, and no "why was I left off the PM". A fair and level playing field. And one personal thing on this - I'm sorry but anyone who tells me that this wasn't meant to be an exclusive club was IN and obviously can not comprehend what it was like for the users who were "out" by post count or by pure apathy. Period.

The best, most beautiful, part of this whole thread is that you're talking about how you feel. Thank you for speaking up and making your voice heard. Together we can make beautiful changes to the site, shape it into a place we all want to be and where we all have a home. You are the smartest, prettiest, totally amazing group of people I know and you make me so proud to be here.
 

misfitted

New member
I see both sides but.... I am not payin for membership. Because there isnt a substantial difference with both threads. Give me something more and then I will re consider. Until then... i stand my ground
I'm curious... how is it that you figure there is no substantial difference between the premium and regular threads, seeing as you have not been a part of the premium thread? I'm not sure how long the premium thread has been in effect but I feel it's way too early in the game to really measure the differences. At this point in time, it seems that all remaining MAC color collection info for 2013 has pretty much been available for a while. It will take some time before we can truly measure the differences between what is shared across both ends. And even then, only someone with access on both ends would be able to see said differences in action... if you only have access to the free threads, you'll only be able to speak to what is posted there, unless someone puts you in the know.
 

AkeshialuvsMAC

New member
I'm curious... how is it that you figure there is no substantial difference between the premium and regular threads, seeing as you have not been a part of the premium thread? I'm not sure how long the premium thread has been in effect but I feel it's way too early in the game to really measure the differences. At this point in time, it seems that all remaining MAC color collection info for 2013 has pretty much been available for a while. It will take some time before we can truly measure the differences between what is shared across both ends. And even then, only someone with access on both ends would be able to see said differences in action... if you only have access to the free threads, you'll only be able to speak to what is posted there, unless someone puts you in the know.
well im obviously going off the description of what the premium thread would entail. One of the main things is the stress for privacy. But just like others asked and answered... in both threads for example ( color stories sightings and restocks) can and will be posted because there isnt any rule stating that someone cant do this as per Janice. So y pay for it when u can get it for free. Like I said until I see a major difference in the description and perks of the premium mem. I dont see the point.... do u?
 

Dawn

Administrator
Staff member
Quote: Originally Posted by Janice And one personal thing on this - I'm sorry but anyone who tells me that this wasn't meant to be an exclusive club was IN and obviously can not comprehend what it was like for the users who were "out" by post count or by pure apathy. Period.




Unfortunately, that is my thought on this as well.
 

misfitted

New member
well im obviously going off the description of what the premium thread would entail. One of the main things is the stress for privacy. But just like others asked and answered... in both threads for example ( color stories sightings and restocks) can and will be posted because there isnt any rule stating that someone cant do this as per Janice. So y pay for it when u can get it for free. Like I said until I see a major difference in the description and perks of the premium mem. I dont see the point.... do u?
I think that is self explanatory. You missed my poin... what I am saying is how do YOU know premium thread info will be shared in the free thread? Have you seen it happen already or are you just assuming that it will? I'm not doubting that some things will make it over that way, but we have yet to see this actually play out... And we don't know who is sharing in the premium threads or what and when they plan on sharing in the free threads.
 

AkeshialuvsMAC

New member
I think that is self explanatory. You missed my poin... what I am saying is how do YOU know premium thread info will be shared in the free thread? Have you seen it happen already or are you just assuming that it will? I'm not doubting that some things will make it over that way, but we have yet to see this actually play out... And we don't know who is sharing in the premium threads or what and when they plan on sharing in the free threads.
HYPOTHETICALLY.but those r some of the things that I am referring too because its common sense concern.
 

highheels

Member
but doesn't that seem suspect to u? People continually do it. So maybe we should just blast every restock.... lets see who gets anything... smh
Suspect in what way? Why all the paranoia and suspicion? I think she was a makeup lover like the rest of us and made the unfortunate mistake of joining a forum when drama and paranoia and hostility were running high, and was subsequently chased away when some people openly questioned her character and reasons for being here. It was insulting and embarrassing to watch it unfold. We were not ALL newbies at one point? Did anyone question your motives for joining or, the timing of it? Why not assume the best about people until such time as there is evidence and facts to say otherwise? I want everyone to get their items just as much as the next person, but to assume the worst about someone simply because of the timing of when they joined is ignorant and unfair. I'm not saying you personally did that, but others certainly did, and openly. Not all newbies and lurkers are here to deprive you of your goodies, ladies and gents.
 

boujoischic

New member
I won't beat a dead horse a lot has been explained in this thread and my original question was answered. I feel like the RiRi collections brought this to head people were really upset about not getting items and the competition the collections being extremely limited caused. Whether we agree with it or not the premium chat section is there now and we just have to wait and see how this pans out.
 

AkeshialuvsMAC

New member
Suspect in what way? Why all the paranoia and suspicion? I think she was a makeup lover like the rest of us and made the unfortunate mistake of joining a forum when drama and paranoia and hostility were running high, and was subsequently chased away when some people openly questioned her character and reasons for being here. It was insulting and embarrassing to watch it unfold. We were not ALL newbies at one point? Did anyone question your motives for joining or, the timing of it? Why not assume the best about people until such time as there is evidence and facts to say otherwise? I want everyone to get their items just as much as the next person, but to assume the worst about someone simply because of the timing of when they joined is ignorant and unfair. I'm not saying you personally did that, but others certainly did, and openly. Not all newbies and lurkers are here to deprive you of your goodies, ladies and gents.
maybe..
 

AkeshialuvsMAC

New member
I won't beat a dead horse a lot has been explained in this thread and my original question was answered. Whether we agree or not the premium section is there now and we just have to see how this pans out. I feel like the RiRi collections brought this to head people were really upset about not getting items and the competition the collections being extremely limited caused.
yup yup
 

Haven

New member
I want to thank Janice & the mods for coming up with a possible solution for what has been happening. The MAC portion of this site is not what it used to be. I am hoping that these changes will help the site "get its old feel" back. I miss it.
 

Naynadine

Veteran Moderator
Staff member
Sorry but NO. The whole point of the code system AND pm'ng people was to keep the restock information in house.

A member PM'd me about a system. I intern mulled it over and decided ON MY OWN to send this information to people as I saw them post or as I had time to, this was to see if we needed to tweak the idea or figure something else out. There are THOUSANDS of people on here and hundreds who post at any given time. Some people just don't seem to understand that this wasn't an exclusive club, no one had to be a long time member. THERE WAS NO CRITERIA. I missed tons of people, some new, some long term members. Right before Rihanna's Fall collection came out for the dept stores the word was spread by me and several other members to anyone who asked, many just went ahead and pm'd me and others. When people felt they had missed out they didn't pm me or someone else they immediately said "is there some club I have to be apart of to get the info?" That is how this mess all started

Rihanna's fall collection came out and the code system worked until someone not in the know posted who had the collection up. I'm sorry it didn't really work. It was completely dumb of me to think that I could inform everyone of this info so that we were all on the same page. The thing that I loved about being on here is that even though the entire world can see everything we post it still felt like a family. So my thought process was to help out and protect my family, in essence.

BTW when I pm'd people not one said this was a bad idea or said it wouldn't work. NOT ONE.

Either way, Janice has a system planned and we'll just have to see it in action. Hopefully the forum will get back to the way it was when I first joined or even last year.

Also have to clarify that I posted several times if you have no clue of what is going on feel free to PM me. Others passed along that same message when some kept asking what is going on.
Exactly. But of course it's easier to complain and get offended than to actually do something yourself and write a PM.
 
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